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Sadhguru - Force Behind Education


Force Behind Education



Love - A Chemical Hijack


00:09 【Shekhar Kapur】:
When my daughter was four or five, she asked me,
“Daddy, am I living a dream or is this reality?”
So I said, “You tell me.”
She said, “It’s both. It’s my imagination and it’s reality. Both.”
And in life, this question persists:“Am I living a dream or is this reality?”
But I am afraid that as she grows, with the way she is being educated,
these questions will be taken from her.
So, let’s talk about childhood and education,
and what you are trying to do with the Isha Home School.

01:02 【Sadhguru】:
Essentially, education is about enlarging the horizons of human perception.
But unfortunately today, education has slowly shifted into a mode
where people believe it is about enforcing heaps of information.
Information is useful in a certain way,
but it is not going to make your life. It will earn your living.
So, here at Isha Home School, education is about enlarging a child’s horizons,
not about giving ready-made answers, but about nurturing an active intelligence
which constantly searches and seeks and looks at everything in every possible way.
And above all, it is for a child to know the joy of wondering about life.

02:09【Shekhar Kapur】:
Are you saying that these children will come out non-competitive?
Or will they have such awareness
that their ability to deal with this world will be more precise?

02:32【Sadhguru】:
Suppose you are in competition with me and the two of us are walking together.
If you walk a little faster than me, you will think you have reached the peak of your life.
If you fall behind me, you will feel depressed that you cannot walk as fast as me.
But if you are not in competition with me,
you would explore the possibility of what you could do — and maybe you could fly.
But you will miss out on the possibility of flying because
you are in competition with me; all you want to do is take a few steps more than me.
Human potential is distorted because people are in competition.
Right now, people believe that they will not reach their full potential
unless they are in competition, which is a very false idea.
Actually, only when a human being is in extended periods of joyfulness and blissfulness
will he stretch himself to the limits and do what he can do to the fullest.
When he is in competition, when he is in fear of failure,
he will only do a little better than somebody else.
So human genius is completely missing today.
People are destroying human genius through the process of education,
by teaching competition.
It is all about getting two marks higher than the person who is sitting next to you.
And in this mode of competition, only one can win. All others are losers.
It is a horrible way to create a society.
What I am saying is:
the gardener in this school is as important for us as the headmistress.
That is what the children are constantly perceiving.
We do not say these things as philosophies, but that is the atmosphere that is set.
The one who cooks and the one who cleans is as important as the one
who teaches science, or the one who runs the school, or me,
who visits once in a while to give the children a different perspective.
Once you put one above the other, you are not going to know anything in this world.
Your whole perspective is distorted.
That is the basis of competition, trying to put one above the other.
Once you make one thing bigger than the other — one thing high, one thing low,
one thing divine, another thing filthy — then you miss the whole point of existence.
So the essence of education is to enhance your perception in such a way
that you are able to perceive a blade of grass as being as important as a coconut tree.
It is not less important; it is different, that’s all.
Everything that is different in the world has been made it into a discriminatory process.
That is why you are suffering a prejudice world.
Every difference, whether between races and nations or languages and cultures,
and even gender, has been made into a discriminatory process.
And that has also been the mode of education, unfortunately.
Here, the most important part of education is not taught;
it is a constant demonstration.
All the teachers are dedicated people.
They are volunteering full-time to make this happen for the children
and they are hugely educated.
So the key element of the school is the way everybody moves,
the way everybody sits and stands and eats and does everything.
We are following the ICSE system,
but the most important thing is the atmosphere, the ambience, the way it is.
One thing you will see is the strength of the children.
The mental strength of the child here is phenomenal.
Today, that is one thing that is missing in urban schools.
They are becoming flaky.
Competition will make them determined and focused in one way,
and at the same time, make them fearful of failure,
fearful of being less than somebody else.
Here, you will see the children don’t have that at all in them.
Every one of them is a king by himself. [Laughs]

09:25【Shekhar Kapur】:
I noticed that. I’ve seen the children
and what surprises me mostly is that there is a certain sense of alertness in them.
When I go back to urban areas, anywhere in the world,
I see children walking to school and there’s that sense of lack of purpose.
But when I see children from the Isha Home School,
they seem to be going from one place to the other
with a sense of doing and with a lot of happiness.

10:06【Sadhguru】:
For any human being, getting to know something,
moving into a new area of life, learning is always a joyful process.
But unfortunately, schooling is not a joyful process for most children.
I must tell you this. [Laughs]
When I was just in my sixth standard, the President of India died.
So the school announced that it was a holiday and it would be closed for two days.
Then my friends and I met and we said,
“Wow! The President died — this means we get two days off.
Suppose the Prime Minister dies, how many days do we get?
And if the Chief Minister dies — how many days?”
In our minds, we just started killing the whole cabinet one by one. [Shekhar laughs.]
Why is school such a horrible place?
Learning is always a joyful experience for any human being.

11:11【Shekhar Kapur】: Or it should be.

11:12【Sadhguru】:
It is, actually. When you get to know something new,
there is a certain invigoration of energy within you.
But that is not happening in schools simply because of the way it is delivered.
That is the reason I started this school.
I wanted people to be excited about learning.
You won’t believe it. At 11:00 at night, some children can’t sleep.
They will say to one of the teachers, “Akka (elder sister), please open the library!
I just want to see this one thing. I won’t be five minutes, I just want to see something.”
The child wants to know something before he goes to bed;
he can’t go to bed without knowing that one thing.
To keep that enthusiasm up, to keep that inquisitiveness up, that longing to know —
that is the job of the teacher. Knowing is the child’s job.
So here, the teacher is just working to keep that up, the longing to know.

12:05【Shekhar Kapur】:
So any special techniques you developed here and in sense of...
I mean... I'm... I wish that I was taught mathematics differently.
And now you know at this age I'm obsessed with mathematics,
but I should have learned that... and all I can remember is the fear of maths.

12:16【Sadhguru】:
They're employing nothing very special as such,
because what I see is... it is information versus inspiration.
Here they are inspired.
That's why you see them moving about with such energy. They're inspired.
Information-- if you have an alert mind, you can gather any time.
And today the way the technology is developing,
you carrying all the information in your head is not any more relevant, you know.
It's all there on the net.
If you have an alert mind, when you want it, you have it.
They're doing very well academically also.

13:04【Shekhar Kapur】:
Are you planning on to open more schools?

13:07【Sadhguru】:
I thought, because it's so much demand, we thought at some point
we should open for maximum of four schools in India, this kind.
One in the west... this is the southern one, one in the western sector,
northern sector and eastern sector.
But opening a school like this will not happen because you build buildings.
You have to get those kind of people who committed to making it happen.
That's always a challenge because dedication to the scarce material in the world today.
Though we are enjoying that much in Isha, still it's a very scarce material in the world.
Everybody is always doing something, thinking okay what will I get,
not doing something simply because they love to do it.
Those people are very small number.

13:56【Shekhar Kapur】:
So we're talking about childhood innocence
and its relevance to us as adults.

13:57【Sadhguru】:
I didn't talk about innocence. I don't think a child is innocent.

14:00【Shekhar Kapur】: Okay.

14:01【Sadhguru】:
Oh he can be very mean. (laughter)Okay?
If he doesn't get what he wants, he'll get very mean. (laughter)
The beauty of the child is he is flexible.
That's all that needs to happen to the adult also.
Not that he's innocent, ignorant, this, that. That's not the point.
The point is that he is flexible. That's the most important aspect of the child.
The same thing comes to the adult. He is also fine.
Generally it's become fashionable for people to say "like a child."
Somewhere they're thinking adulthood is evil, childhood is a good thing.
No. Child is just in the making. Adulthood is a real thing.
Even so-called spiritual people go about saying "I am like a child."
So I keep asking people, "Do you really want to be a child?"
Suppose, at the age of six, your body and your mind stopped growing
and you remained a child, is it a great thing?
We'll call you a retard. Isn't it?
Isn't it good you grown out of your childhood?
Because you made a mess out of your adulthood, you are aspiring for your childhood.
I think adulthood is great. (laughter)

15:22【Shekhar Kapur】:
but do you think the children have that kind
of perception that we then have to work
15:26
towards do you think we need to uh
15:28
negate ourselves do you think that the
15:30
normal learning processes that we go
15:32
through in modern day life is actually
15:37
lessening our ability to become greater
15:40
human
15:41
or more deceptive Nautica the thing is
15:44
what you know is not the problem in your
15:48
life the more you know the better it is
15:50
okay that's why you're trying to know
15:52
but now you're complaining knowing is a
15:54
problem I have to unlearn no I wouldn't
15:57
say that knowing is not causing what you
16:00
know knowledge is not causing problem
16:02
you are identified with what you know
16:04
that is what is causing problem if you
16:06
learn to be not identified with what you
16:08
know all that you know whether it is
16:12
considered great knowledge or it's
16:14
considered spilt on the street both are
16:15
useful actually to live a life isn't it
16:18
so knowledge is not the problem
16:21
you get identified with every bit of
16:23
information that you gather that is a
16:24
problem identity is the problem
16:26
knowledge is not the problem
16:28
so being you're somewhere when you say I
16:31
want to be like a child you're
16:33
celebrating ignorance and I am singing I
16:36
saw Thomas at gamaya and you're saying
16:40
no knowledge is not the problem
16:43
knowledge is not the burden you identity
16:46
is the burden you get identified with
16:49
limited things that you know that is a
16:51
problem so let's talk more about
16:53
identity
16:54
explore the idea of identity then Who am
16:58
I beyond my knowledge my identity all
17:02
the things that we talk about Who am I
17:04
it's just it's a question that everybody
17:06
will ask you a little bit and it's a
17:08
very large question so let's start start
17:10
with identity what do identify within
17:14
myself that I say this is me and well
17:19
then you say well actually this is just
17:21
your accumulations so then what do i
17:22
what what do identify them if anything
17:26
see to operate in the world to function
17:30
in the world you need an identity now if
17:34
you can't go in Mumbai and somebody
17:36
asked for you you can say I am a nobody
17:38
that would be ridiculous so to function
17:43
with people around you to function in
17:45
the society in which you exist you need
17:46
an identity the shaker will not do
17:50
because there may be too many shakers
17:53
you need a cap or attached to it
17:55
so it's giving you an identity if you
17:58
say Seiko poof even if I don't know
18:00
anything about you just listening to
18:02
your name one thing I know oh he's from
18:03
India okay
18:05
you may not be identified as an Indian
18:07
but I know you're obviously of Indian
18:09
origin listening to Kapoor writing okay
18:12
he must be somewhere this region of
18:14
India so it gives certain excess ability
18:21
to function with each other so we have
18:23
certain cultural identities so in that
18:25
sense identity is perfectly fine but if
18:28
you believe I'm that then you are in a
18:31
mess it limits you in a huge way if you
18:36
believe I am a Kapoor then you are in
18:39
trouble because your identity limits you
18:42
because the very way the human mind
18:45
works is your mind works always around
18:48
your identity what you are identified
18:50
with always seems to be right what you
18:53
are not identified with it doesn't seem
18:55
to be right so yesterday in the program
18:57
that you went through there was a man
18:59
from Islamabad he's Pakistani
19:01
and the guy did not tell anybody that
19:06
he's from Pakistan because a whole lot
19:08
of situations going on you know whatever
19:11
in yesterday night he came and told me I
19:13
am from Pakistan I said that's great I
19:15
truly appreciate that you came either
19:16
you should have told everybody people
19:19
would have reached out to you like
19:21
anything in this country but in his mind
19:23
he thought this identity could be a
19:25
problem so being an Indian in a
19:29
Pakistani is essentially a political
19:31
identity we just popped up 5060 years
19:34
ago okay before that there was no such
19:36
thing suddenly we became this where it
19:39
is come from we invented it right
19:41
somebody drew an artificial line and
19:44
said those who fall decider Indians
19:45
those who fall that side are Pakistani
19:47
and just see how much trouble because
19:50
you are identified with that now having
19:55
an identity for practical purposes of
19:57
operation in the world is one thing but
19:59
having an identity to make yourself into
20:02
something within yourself is a different
20:04
thing you are trying to build
20:07
your essential nature with your identity
20:09
that's a big mess that means you will
20:11
not be a being you will not be a human
20:15
being you will just be a thing an idea a
20:20
thought an opinion or a bundle of
20:23
prejudices which go with that identity
20:25
every identity is a prejudice the moment
20:28
you are identified as an Indian
20:30
everything Indian seems to be nice to
20:32
you something else which is against the
20:34
Indian is also against you it's it's not
20:37
a thing that you have to think it just
20:39
works like that within you and that
20:41
would apply to so I'm Shekar Kapur
20:43
that's my name I'm a father I'm a
20:45
filmmaker
20:46
all of that is identity so all of that
20:50
so I understand so how do you go beyond
20:53
identity because that's what we now you
20:55
want to function in Bollywood
20:57
you have people it's better people know
20:59
that you're a filmmaker otherwise nobody
21:01
will ask you to make a film here so
21:02
there to work in the world it's
21:04
necessary but if you believe I am a
21:07
filmmaker and that's what I am I think
21:10
it hugely cripples you because your mind
21:13
will work only around that the more the
21:17
deeper your experience of life the
21:20
better filmmaker you would be for sure
21:22
isn't it the better you'd anything you
21:24
would be for sure isn't it now there is
21:26
a school teacher teaching six-year-olds
21:29
but that person how deep that person's
21:32
experience of life is that better a
21:35
teacher he or she is isn't it so how did
21:38
my experience of life is that better a
21:40
guru I am isn't it so isn't the true
21:43
with filmmaking but the depth of your
21:45
experience will be crippled the moment
21:47
you identify yourself with something you
21:50
can deepen your experience
21:52
only if you're wide open to everything
21:53
isn't it I agree so for mine I keep
21:59
saying now you're asking me who you are
22:01
this is a problem for my five if you ask
22:05
me who I am
22:06
he's different if you ask if you are if
22:09
you if you go to anybody and say Who am
22:10
I
22:11
that's then they'll take you to
22:13
psychiatric ward
22:14
all right I'll risk that who am i right
22:20
now
22:21
the human condition is such that without
22:24
knowing anything about the nature of his
22:27
existence he's trying to make a living
22:29
without knowing anything about what
22:32
disease he's trying to somehow pass
22:34
through the world obviously it is going
22:37
to be very accidental isn't it so when a
22:39
person is going through his whole life
22:41
in an accidental manner he being in a
22:44
great sense of anxiety fear struggle is
22:48
very natural and now we are going about
22:51
describing life life is struggle life is
22:54
not struggle if you are blind walking
22:58
from here to there also is a struggle if
23:00
your eyes are open
23:01
joyfully you can walk through so life
23:03
has become a struggle because there is
23:05
no clarity of perception as to what is
23:08
me what is the world what is the nature
23:09
of this existence there is no perception
23:11
so if I tell you you are a human being
23:15
it satisfies you but if you think a
23:18
little more it doesn't work if I tell
23:20
you your Atman your a soul it satisfies
23:23
you if you think a little more even that
23:26
doesn't work through whatever I'm going
23:28
to tell you is not going to work so only
23:31
if your perception takes you that
23:33
because only what you perceive you know
23:35
what somebody else tells you is only a
23:38
story it may be a true story but still a
23:41
story isn't it stories will entertain
23:43
you stories may inspire you stories may
23:46
solace you but stories will never be a
23:50
solution in your life stories will never
23:54
realize you isn't it so there's no
23:57
alternative to working hard towards
24:00
perceptional again working hard why
24:02
should you work hard to become yourself
24:05
if you want to become something else you
24:07
have to work hard to be yourself why
24:10
should you work hard there's no working
24:12
hard anyway or that enlightenment is not
24:14
an achievement it's just a realization
24:18
when we you see this must be very very
24:20
clear this is a realization we say
24:24
self-realization God realization when we
24:28
say realization it simply means your
24:31
only person you only perceive what is
24:33
already there you didn't
24:34
meant something you didn't create
24:36
something you didn't attain something
24:37
what was already there you just realized
24:41
yes
24:43
so it is a realization it is not an
24:45
attainment the why is it so difficult I
24:48
mean what you saying is very simple it's
24:51
there it's there everything is creation
24:55
why so why is it so difficult it is not
24:58
difficult it is just that it's in a
25:00
different direction right now your whole
25:04
perception of life is through the sense
25:06
perception yes seeing hearing smelling
25:09
tasting touching sense organs in the
25:13
very nature of things are outward bound
25:14
because they are essentially created for
25:17
your survival you can see what is around
25:19
you you cannot roll your eyeballs inside
25:22
and scan yourself you can hear this so
25:26
much activity in the body can you hear
25:28
that no even if something as small as an
25:32
ant crawls upon this hand you can feel
25:33
it so much blood flowing can you feel it
25:36
no so in the very nature of things your
25:40
perception is right now outward-bound
25:42
but the basis of your experience is all
25:45
inside of you so right now you see me
25:49
you think you believe you see me sitting
25:53
here but it's not true actually in your
25:55
experience you are seeing me within
25:57
yourself light is falling upon this
26:00
reflecting going through your lenses
26:01
inverted image in the retina the whole
26:03
experience is inside isn't it you hear
26:06
me within you you see me within you you
26:09
see the whole world inside of yourself
26:10
the way its projected everybody is a
26:14
filmmaker actually isn't it they're
26:19
projecting the world inside the way it's
26:21
projected the same world may not be
26:24
projected the same way as it is being
26:27
projected within you within the
26:29
experience of an insect which is sitting
26:31
there in the bird it is different in the
26:35
dog it's you know dogs don't see the
26:36
color if you wear all the colorful
26:39
clothes and come they just stare at you
26:40
because you're all black and white today
26:43
there is substantial knowledge about
26:46
this thing that neurologists are telling
26:48
you
26:48
whatever you see is broken the
26:51
information is broken into 14 different
26:53
aspects and you are actually seeing me
26:56
in 14 different parts of your brain not
26:59
in one place if one part of it doesn't
27:02
work you may not see the color in
27:05
another part doesn't work you may not
27:06
see the texture so you understand this
27:10
being a filmmaker isn't it
27:12
you can take a camera and do this to get
27:14
the color right to get the texture right
27:16
to get the form right to get everything
27:18
right there is a certain thing involved
27:21
so all this is happening within you in
27:24
many different ways it is just not the
27:26
way you're seeing it it's in many
27:28
different ways as it is necessary for
27:29
your survival what is day for you is
27:31
night for somebody else isn't it another
27:33
creature thinks it's night what is night
27:35
for you is day for them so even what is
27:38
light and darkness is you're making so
27:41
that's why in this culture we went on
27:43
saying it's your karma it's your karma
27:44
when we say it's your karma karma means
27:47
action when we say it's your karma we
27:50
are saying your experience of your life
27:52
is 100% you are doing it's your doing
27:55
nobody else is doing so right now your
27:59
sense organs are all outward bound but
28:01
the basis of your experience is within
28:03
you you have no way to access it
28:06
who you are is within you but your
28:09
perception is all outward bound so this
28:12
is like someone came looking for this a
28:15
oka Center to close by village and they
28:18
asked a local boy how far is he say yoga
28:20
center and he said it's twenty four
28:23
thousand nine hundred and ninety six
28:25
months I said what that far away said
28:28
yes the very boy if you turn around it's
28:30
only four months so right now it seems
28:34
difficult because you're facing west and
28:37
wanting to watch the sunrise it's a very
28:40
difficult thing if you turn around it's
28:43
a very simple thing so this turning
28:46
around to look inward the necessary
28:49
basis has not been created in the
28:51
society today there was a time when
28:54
spiritual process was the main thing in
28:56
the society in this culture at that time
28:58
any number of realized beings their
29:01
lives being was not a rare
29:02
rarity in this culture people had sages
29:05
and Saints just about anywhere isn't it
29:07
because there was necessary
29:10
infrastructure at that time in a village
29:13
there would be only one person who could
29:15
read I remember this one I had a farm in
29:16
Karnataka there's only one person who
29:19
can read in the village everybody gets
29:21
their personal letters for him to read
29:24
you know a wife wants to read a letter
29:27
that her husband has written a postcard
29:30
comes she goes to this man and he has to
29:33
read so he reads and interpret it
29:35
interprets it in a million ways that he
29:37
knows
29:37
so just literacy was a rare thing
29:41
because the necessary infrastructure was
29:43
not there and it looked like one strange
29:45
mystical thing that somebody is able to
29:47
look at the postcard and say all these
29:49
things look like a great mystical thing
29:51
right now that's exactly what you're
29:53
talking why is it so difficult it's not
29:56
difficult because we did not maintain
29:59
that infrastructure of inward-looking
30:01
in the society you did not cultivate
30:04
that right from your childhood now it
30:06
looks like a far away thing suppose you
30:08
did not know how to read and write if
30:10
you look at a book and somebody looks at
30:11
a book and saying all these things would
30:14
look like a mystical process isn't it we
30:19
haven't invested in that direction so
30:22
that's exactly what we are trying to
30:23
build now to build an infrastructure of
30:26
spiritual process in the world to give
30:29
the necessary infrastructure because no
30:31
society has invested enough towards the
30:34
inner well-being of a human being we
30:36
have hospitals we have schools we have
30:37
toilets we have this with that but we
30:40
don't have enough infrastructure for the
30:42
actual well-being the inner well-being
30:44
of a human being because your well-being
30:46
and whatever else you go through your
30:48
joy and misery happens within you your
30:51
pain and pleasure happens within you
30:52
agony and ecstasy happens within you
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everything that happens to you human
30:56
being happens within you for that we
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have not built any infrastructure so
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there was a time there used to be they
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say Krishna built about 1400 ashrams
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across the country the Northern Plains
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because he felt that's an infrastructure
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that's needed for the society to live
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well so we don't have such
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infrastructure
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okay do what you don't do I think you
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must look at yourself very carefully
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because the children are picking up
31:25
everything rapidly and they'll
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exaggerate everything that you're doing
31:32
so one foremost thing is at least make
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yourself in such a way that you would
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like to be somebody may not approve it
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doesn't matter at least you made
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yourself in such a way that you like the
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way you are gurus know women will not
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make good gurus nor will men make good
31:57
gurus unless you know how to be beyond
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the - you can't be this if you're a man
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or a woman if you're stuck with your
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gender then there's no chance of being a
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guru because you're looking at the
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mechanics of life in a completely
32:16
different way you're just looking at
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life is life all the problems on the
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planet is simply because everybody has
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their own mission and these missions are
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creating variety of conflict if all of
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us sit here without an omission mission
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means an assumed position of importance
32:45
and agenda individual agenda if all of
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us can sit here what is a human being
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longing for every human being all of you
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wherever you are right now you would
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like to be little more than what you're
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right now isn't it so hello yes if that
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little more happens what little more if
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that happens what so it looks like in
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installments you're going towards
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something how much more would settle you
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for good let's look at it right now

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