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Sadhguru - Become conscious of your mortality


Of Love and Life - Juhi Chawla In Conversation with Sadhguru


Sadhguru-Become conscious of your mortality..

01:06
Sadhguru: Good evening everyone.
01:08
Juhi Chawla: Good evening everyone.
01:11
Sadhguru: Nobody is saying anything (Laughter).
01:14
Juhi Chawla: (Laughs) No they are all here but they are very silent.
01:17
They are all waiting for it all to begin
01:18
and let me tell you… I have to confess,
01:20
as I came on -
01:21
before this I was quite relaxed -
01:22
but as I’ve come on to the stage, my heart is beating really fast.
01:25
So, (Laughs) while Guruji was praying,
01:29
I was saying to myself, “I must be relaxed. This is the time.
01:33
When I am with my Guru, I must be relaxed that this is it.”
01:38
So, yes I will calmly begin by thanking you Sadhguruji,
01:43
for giving me this opportunity to be in conversation with you.
01:46
Isha Foundation, thank you very much.
01:49
Sadhguru: I… I thought when we are talking about ‘Of love and life,’
01:52
heart beating is a good thing (Laughter).
01:54
Juhi Chawla: (Laughs) Okay, yes it’s a good thing.
01:59
It shows I’m alive and in love and about to begin this conversation.
02:04
And Sadhguruji, I want to say,
02:07
I have attended your Inner Engineering program,
02:11
I have seen some DVDs,
02:13
I have read your books.
02:14
And everywhere there are your brilliant views on various issues.
02:22
It could be from the making of a nation
02:24
to the making of a toy car,
02:26
from the running of a household to the running of parliament.
02:30
You have brilliant views on every issue that one can ever question.
02:36
Yet I know very little about you
02:40
and it
02:40
You know here’s a brilliant mind with an… for lack of better words,
02:46
I would say ‘out-of-the-Box’ thinking -
02:49
so different,
02:50
so refreshing,
02:52
so enlightening.
02:53
I am fascinated and I want to know about your life.
02:58
And I’d like to know that
03:02
I mean,
03:03
were you just born brilliant?
03:06
Did it begin from that very moment?
03:10
Sadhguru: I was a normal birth.
03:11
I didn’t come in a box (Laughter).
03:16
My mother had a normal child.
03:19
Juhi Chawla: No, you know,
03:21
I’m from the movies and I can’t help thinking –
03:23
was it like it is in story books,
03:25
that a venerable sage came to your home
03:28
and when he looked at your mother,
03:30
he said (Laughter),
03:31
“There is going to be born a Guru. Rejoice.
03:35
He will lighten his own path and that of others?
03:37
Sadhguru: You also… You also going like this? (Laughter)
03:41
Juhi Chawla: No, but was it like that or how was it?
03:44
How was your childhood?
03:52
Sadhguru: I don’t think they all came to listen to my mother’s labor pains (Laughter).
03:57
Juhi Chawla: No, I’m really fascinated,
03:59
intrigued that we’re all here
04:03
but you know, the way you think,
04:06
we wait to hear what you have to say.
04:09
We’ve all been little children
04:12
and we’ve all grown up
04:13
but we’ve grown up and been educated in schools and
04:17
but I find our way of thinking,
04:19
our way of being very conditioned,
04:22
like almost systematized.
04:24
Whereas,
04:26
so where …where did it all begin?
04:29
Sadhguru: I think you’re looking for something unnatural that happened there (Laughs).
04:35
One thing that could be considered unnatural was
04:40
it seems I was a very delayed birth.
04:44
My mother went to the hospital three times and came back
04:47
and she gave up that he’s not coming (Laughter).
04:51
And when it actually happened, it happened at home.
04:54
My father being a physician, that was not possible,
04:57
she… she had to be in the hospital.
04:58
Three times she went and three times it didn’t happen.
05:01
They did everything possible and she gave up,
05:06
so it happened at home.
05:07
So, that’s the only reasonably unnatural thing.
05:10
Everything else was natural – birth,
05:12
I didn’t come in a box (Juhi Laughs).
05:13
And I refused to be educated (Laughs).
05:16
So, what is
05:19
I mean the question that you’re asking is,
05:22
do people grow up and blossom
05:25
or are they brought up by somebody?
05:28
You will see the general expression is,
05:30
“I was brought up in this place,
05:32
I was brought up in that way.”
05:33
Especially in the West, you will see,
05:35
“I was brought up Christian”,
05:37
“I was brought up Jewish”
05:38
these are very common words.
05:41
I think it’s absolutely ridiculous and humiliating
05:45
that a human being has to be brought up.
05:48
You bring up cattle, okay?
05:51
You don’t bring up a human being.
05:54
A human being is supposed to blossom by his own nature.
05:57
That is why he’s on the top of the pile,
06:01
at least on this planet, in the evolutionary scale.
06:03
And most human beings don’t seem to understand that
06:08
or they are not allowed to understand that by a whole lot of people
06:12
and they need to be brought up.
06:15
Bringing up means somebody is molding you.
06:22
Molding means it’s a predetermined shape.
06:28
And no flower that blossoms is the same way as another one,
06:33
which blossomed yesterday.
06:35
But a mold means it’s always going to be the same.
06:39
If you make a mold,
06:40
the idea of making a mold is that we want to have the same form,
06:44
again and again and again.
06:46
Right now, generally that seems to be the work
06:50
unfortunately of the current education system,
06:54
the so-called religions that are operating in the world
06:57
and of course the family.
07:00
They want you to be in a certain mold,
07:02
they don’t want you to blossom like a wild flower
07:06
because they’re afraid of anything fresh happening among them.
07:10
They want something that is familiar.
07:12
They don’t want something unfamiliar to be born among them.
07:16
So, if you have succumbed to that system,
07:20
then yes, you’ve been molded into a certain form.
07:24
If you allow your humanity to blossom,
07:28
then you will see, you don’t belong to any mold.
07:30
This is the beauty of being human that there is no a particular way to be.
07:35
If you were a dog you would be one way,
07:37
if you were cattle you would be one way,
07:38
if you were a sheep you would be another way,
07:40
if you’re bird - another way, a grasshopper - another way.
07:43
But to be human means there is no particular way.
07:47
What is human is not defined, nor described,
07:52
it is… it is just that
07:55
for every other creature on this planet,
07:57
nature drew two lines;
07:59
within that they have to play their game.
08:02
For a human being, only the bottom line is drawn,
08:06
there is no top line.
08:08
But socially, people are trying to draw a top line for themselves.
08:13
But nature has not drawn a top line for you,
08:15
it’s a limitless possibility
08:17
and this is what is freaking human beings right now.
08:20
Because they can’t decide what they can (Laughs)… need to be.
08:23
They’re trying to be like somebody else.
08:26
Only bottom line is set, top line has been removed
08:30
this is evolution.
08:32
Juhi Chawla: But wait, we still didn’t quite get to
08:36
So how was it when you were a child,
08:38
were you… were you put into a school to go the systematic way
08:43
and did you keep up with it
08:45
Sadhguru: Do I… Do I look that edu… educated?
08:47
Don’t insult me like that (Laughter).
08:49
Actually you know, when I go and stand in the line
08:52
in the immigration lines, in particularly in America,
08:55
they look at me and say, “Can you speak English?”
08:57
I say (Nods his head affirmatively) (Laughter)
09:06
because I have that uneducated look, it’s not easy (Laughter).
09:10
Do you know
09:12
Do you know what it takes to remain uneducated?
09:15
Education is just twenty years of going somewhere and getting one certificate.
09:20
To remain uneducated, it’s very difficult
09:23
because from the day you’re born,
09:25
your parents, every other adult, the school, the damn thing
09:28
everybody is trying to educate you
09:31
Juhi Chawla: Yes.
09:32
Sadhguru: …about something that’s not worked in their life (Laughter & Applause).
09:41
Juhi Chawla: And then did you also, like we all went through these confused teenage years
09:46
of not really knowing where we’re going,
09:48
I mean did you clearly know your path?
09:50
Sadhguru: Not at all.
09:53
I was, right from three or four years of age,
09:56
I was always a million questions hanging in… in my head.
10:00
I have a question about everything -
10:02
everything to everything.
10:04
Questions means, very fundamental questions about existence itself,
10:07
my own existence.
10:10
So, when I was three, four years of age,
10:12
suddenly I realized I know nothing.
10:15
Know nothing means –
10:16
somebody gives me a glass of water, I do not know what is water.
10:19
I know how to use it, I know if I drink it,
10:22
it will quench my thirst and so many other ways of using it
10:25
but I do not know what is water.
10:28
I’m saying even today, you do not know what is water.
10:31
It’s the only thing available in all three states on the planet.
10:36
Three… two thirds of the planet is water,
10:37
two thirds of your body is water.
10:39
If we think life, we think water.
10:42
But do you know what it is?
10:43
With all the scientific exploration,
10:47
we do not even know a single atom in its entirety.
10:51
Today, our idea of science is,
10:54
learning how to use everything.
10:55
Yes?
10:56
We know how to use an atom,
10:58
we know how to break it,
10:59
we know how to fuse it
11:00
but we really do not know what it is.
11:03
Any one thing, tiniest thing in the creation,
11:06
we do not know in its entirety,
11:09
this is the fact of life.
11:11
Juhi Chawla: Well even something simple as what you started with,
11:14
saying that looking at water.
11:16
I mean, straight away I was taught water - H2O
11:19
and what it can do and it
11:21
you can mix it with colors and it becomes that.
11:23
You can drink it and it quenches your thirst.
11:25
But I never looked at it and said you know,
11:27
“I don’t really know what is water.”
11:30
Sadhguru: Because nobody looks at anything.
11:33
See, everybody is looking like this,
11:36
nobody has any attention for a piece of life here.
11:40
They’re like this (Gestures).
11:42
If you pay attention to one life,
11:44
one blade of grass,
11:46
one grasshopper,
11:47
one human being,
11:49
something else will happen.
11:51
That’s why we said ‘life and love’
11:53
because if you pay attention to one human being,
11:55
some love will happen within you, okay?
11:58
If you miss life, at least some emotion in that direction must happen to you.
12:03
That will happen only if you pay attention to one.
12:07
If you’re looking at like this (Gestures)
12:08
These days it’s become a fashion because you’re in love on Facebook.
12:11
You love the whole humanity.
12:13
To love one human being
12:15
if you want to love one human being, it costs life.
12:19
To love the whole humanity, it doesn’t cost anything.
12:23
It’s even better to love God
12:24
because it’s always easy to love somebody who is not here now (Juhi Laughs),
12:28
it’s so easy.
12:30
But if you have to love somebody who is sitting next to you right now,
12:33
it costs life.
12:35
You know how difficult it is to love someone who is next to you right now,
12:38
how easy it is to love someone who is dead or who is in heaven?
12:42
Isn’t it so?
12:44
Let’s face it.
12:46
Because if you have to love one,
12:49
one thing is you have to pay attention.
12:52
Without attention, it will not happen.
12:54
And above all, you have to give up something that is you,
12:58
to accommodate another,
12:59
otherwise it will not happen.
13:00
The English expression, it’s very good –
13:02
“You must fall in love.”
13:05
You cannot rise in love,
13:06
you cannot stand in love,
13:07
you cannot fly in love,
13:09
you have to fall.
13:11
Something of you should fall, otherwise it will not work.
13:15
You will not know it.
13:17
So, you want to have a fake sense of life,
13:20
then you don’t pay attention to anything,
13:22
everything is information.
13:24
Nothing is a living experience.
13:27
Everything is from the textbook or from the cinema or from the internet.
13:31
Nothing is from life’s experience.
13:35
You’re doing more and more today of that.
13:39
Juhi Chawla: Sadhguruji, you just mentioned love
13:41
and today it is about ‘life and love’ and I would like to know,
13:45
for us it is maybe love your family members,
13:47
whoever it could be. I… I
13:49
Why I ask you this is because there’re so many versions of this
13:53
and I really want to get to it.
13:56
Some teachers,
13:57
some Gurus,
13:58
some guides will say you know,
14:00
“You can love but you must be detached…”
14:03
Sadhguru: Ohoho (Laughs)
14:04
Juhi Chawla: …you must love but it cannot be conditional.
14:07
It should be unconditional and
14:10
So, there’s versions of it,
14:12
I just want to know,
14:14
so have you….
14:15
Sadhguru: See, the simple… the simple way of make you keep coming back to me is
14:19
to give you something that you cannot do,
14:22
to give you a teaching which you can never do.
14:25
You must love, but you must be detached –
14:28
now you have to keep coming back to me for consultation (Laughter),
14:31
endlessly.
14:32
Juhi Chawla: (Laughs) Sorry.
14:34
Sadhguru: I’m saying throw yourself into your love affair and die into it.
14:37
Something will happen.
14:39
Something worthwhile will happen if you’re willing to die into the process,
14:43
not just anything –
14:44
whether it’s your work or your life or your love or whatever,
14:47
if you do not know how to throw your entire self into it,
14:51
you will never know the taste of what it is.
14:55
“Love, but be detached”
14:57
what… why do you want to love then? (Laughter)
15:01
Only because you want to include somebody as a part of your life
15:05
part of yourself, that’s why you love.
15:08
“No, I love but I… I’m detached.”
15:11
This means you have to come back to consultation, every day.
15:14
It is like a psychiatrist’s job
15:16
everyday you have to come and sit on the couch.
15:19
You need treatment and there is a fee (Laughs).
15:23
Juhi Chawla: So… Okay all right,
15:25
so you can love and be attached
15:28
Sadhguru: No, no, I didn’t say that (Laughter)
15:31
Juhi Chawla: Okay, I’m coming back for consultation, please (Laughter).
15:36
So, what did you say?
15:40
Sadhguru: I only said,
15:43
see what is this need for love in a human being?
15:46
You must understand,
15:48
a human being constantly,
15:51
constantly,
15:53
a human being is longing to be something more than what they are right now.
16:00
If this finds a simple basic physical expression,
16:04
we call this sexuality.
16:07
Sexuality means just this
16:09
physically you’re trying to make something which is not you, a part of yourself.
16:13
For a few moments you may succeed.
16:16
If you try this mentally, it gets labeled as greed,
16:20
conquest or maybe simply shopping
16:25
shopping, shopping.
16:27
Juhi Chawla: Oh.
16:28
Sadhguru: Some people go for conquest with swords and guns,
16:31
some people go with cheque books and cash, you know credit cards.
16:35
The thing is you want to include something which is not a part of you as yourself
16:39
that is the whole effort. Tch,
16:40
whether you want money or wealth or you want to occupy a nation,
16:45
what is it?
16:46
Something that is not you, you want to make it yours.
16:51
Yours is an effort to make it a part of yourself.
16:54
If it happens emotionally, on the emotional level if you try this,
16:58
we call this a love affair.
17:00
You’re trying to make somebody who is not a part of you,
17:04
a part of yourself emotionally
17:07
this is a love affair.
17:08
If you do it consciously, we call this yoga.
17:11
Yoga means union.
17:14
So, all these efforts are fine,
17:16
everything has its own beauty but has its own limitations.
17:19
When you understand the limitations of all the other methods,
17:22
nothing right or wrong about it,
17:24
it is just that it will work briefly,
17:26
it will not work for always.
17:28
When you realize that, you consciously try to include.
17:32
When you consciously become an inclusive process,
17:35
if you sit here,
17:36
if you experience everything as yourself then we say you are a yogi, okay?
17:40
So, this is a love affair, successful.
17:44
Juhi Chawla: So something you said at the end
17:47
which I would like to ask you again
17:49
You said love, inclusiveness
17:53
I can’t understand how I can love everybody in this room.
17:57
Sadhguru: You cannot.
17:59
There are some people you cannot love (Laughter).
18:01
Juhi Chawla: I can barely see, up there and up there.
18:04
So, how is tha… how do you include everybody in your love?
18:10
Sadhguru: See because you’re looking at love as something that comes to you
18:14
or you yield to the process of love,
18:17
only because you appreciate a particular quality
18:20
a shape of somebody’s nose or the shape of their mind
18:24
or their thought or their emotion or the way they speak
18:27
or the way they do things or the way they relate to you,
18:29
something, okay?
18:30
There’re many many things.
18:32
It is based on something that is acceptable to you.
18:37
If they do something that is not acceptable to you,
18:41
love crumbles.
18:42
Juhi Chawla: (Laughs) Yes.
18:43
Sadhguru: Now what I’m saying is,
18:45
I want you to look at this –
18:46
whether love happens to you or hate happens to you,
18:49
anger happens to you, misery happens to you, joy happens to you
18:53
it only happens within you, isn’t it?
18:55
Juhi Chawla: Yes.
18:56
Sadhguru: It never… People say love is in the air,
18:59
no.
19:00
Because you are feeling very pleasant in your emotions,
19:03
suddenly air feels vibrant.
19:05
It always been, you missed it all your life,
19:08
now you’re beginning to feel it.
19:10
Juhi Chawla: (Laughs) Okay. Okay.
19:12
Sadhguru: All right? So, whatever human experience –
19:16
love or hate, whatever, whatever –
19:18
happens only within you.
19:21
What I am saying is at least what happens within you must happen by your choice,
19:27
consciously you must be able to make it happen.
19:31
If you’re able to,
19:33
if your experience or what is happening within you is happening by choice,
19:38
what is the problem?
19:39
It only happens within you.
19:41
Love is not a relationship.
19:43
A relationship is a different thing.
19:46
Love is a certain sweetness of your emotion.
19:50
Whether you look at a tree or a dog or a man or a woman or a child or just at the sky,
19:55
why can’t you look at it lovingly?
19:57
Because it’s not about loving the sky,
20:00
it’s about the sweetness of your emotion.
20:03
If your emotions are sweet,
20:05
whatever you look at, you will look at it in a certain way.
20:08
Right now you have nasty emotions, whatever you look at,
20:10
you look at it in a different way.
20:13
So, you have always associated love with somebody.
20:17
No, no, no, this is not about somebody
20:19
love is not something that you do,
20:22
it is something that you can become.
20:25
If you’re willing, you can become love,
20:26
you can make your emotion into a very sweet space.
20:29
If you make your mind
20:30
If you make your body very pleasant, it becomes pleasure.
20:37
If you sit here, it can be great pleasure just sitting here and breathing.
20:41
If your mind becomes pleasant, we say this is joy.
20:46
If your emotions become pleasant, we say this is love.
20:51
If your very life energies become pleasant, we say this is blissfulness, this is ecstasy.
20:57
If your surroundings become pleasant, we call that success.
21:00
Now you’re calling your success with somebody as love, that’s a mistake.
21:06
You have a success story with somebody – that is,
21:09
you have created pleasantness in the atmosphere between you and let’s say five-ten people around you.
21:14
You’re calling that love;
21:15
no that is actually success because that needs lots of management.
21:19
Juhi Chawla: Yes, it does.
21:21
Sadhguru: Yes or no?
21:22
Juhi Chawla: Yes it does.
21:23
Sadhguru: Yes. But for you to be loving, there is no management.
21:26
If you just make your emotions sweet,
21:28
your emotions are sweet and it’s beautiful be… be like this.
21:32
It’s not about anybody.
21:34
If somebody comes, we can share it.
21:36
If nobody comes, you can sit here with eyes closed and still be loving,
21:39
what’s the problem?
21:40
It is not about somebody, it’s not an action.
21:42
It is not something that you do,
21:45
it is something that you can become (Applause).
21:55
Juhi Chawla: It’s a… It’s a lovely, idyllic
21:58
Sadhguru: It is not idyllic, it is… it is the way it is.
22:01
Juhi Chawla: It is… I mean you’d really have to practice this.
22:03
Sadhguru: Why?
22:05
Juhi Chawla: Because I’m thinking
22:06
Sadhguru: See, this is what exactly I’m saying
22:07
if it is an action,
22:08
an action comes to perfection with practice, only if it’s an action.
22:14
I’m saying love is not an act.
22:17
Is health an act?
22:18
Are you acting healthy right now?
22:20
Juhi Chawla: No.
22:21
Sadhguru: I know you’re an actor, but are you acting healthy?
22:25
Juhi Chawla: (Laughs) No.
22:26
Sadhguru: So health is, because
22:28
Juhi Chawla: Yes.
22:29
Sadhguru: …you have done certain things and health is. Isn’t it?
22:31
Juhi Chawla: Oh, we’ve not done certain things
22:32
Sadhguru: Oh, we have definite
22:34
Juhi Chawla: …we’ve been given
22:35
Sadhguru: No, no, no, no. Oh, we’ve been given, but if you eat bad,
22:36
if you live bad, you won’t be healthy.
22:38
Juhi Chawla: Hmm.
22:39
Sadhguru: We’ve done certain things to manage our health.
22:41
Similarly, if you do certain things,
22:44
you can manage the pleasantness of your mind.
22:46
If you do certain other things, you can manage the pleasantness of your emotion.
22:49
If you do certain other things, you can manage the pleasantness of your very life energies.
22:53
This is things that you can do.
22:55
Now, what you can do internally, you’re trying to manage externally.
23:00
What can be done here within you,
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you are trying to manage by creating an atmosphere around you
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which is a very difficult thing to do,
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because outside will never happen hundred percent the way you want it.
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To some extent we can manage,
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we can’t do all of it by ourselves
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because there are many forces involved.
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Juhi Chawla: Sadhguruji, you said something about health.
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And you said, you do certain things for yourself, certain things,
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one - you’re given health and then how you maintain it is you eat well,
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you exercise and you remain healthy.
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Now, to be loving when maybe in a household,
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any situation,
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maybe outside, like you said, outside forces are not pleasant
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it doesn’t come easily to then just be loving.
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So, what is the practice to become that way
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or to train yourself to be that way?
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Sadhguru: I… I want to remove this idea from your mind.
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You believe you need to practice.
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Practice means you’re trying to perfet
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perfect an action, isn’t it?
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Juhi Chawla: To be loving at all times
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Sadhguru: Yes, yes that’s not an act.
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Juhi Chawla: No, not an act, but to be so accepting
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Sadhguru: No, I don’t want to
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I don’t want to go back to the movies, okay? (Juhi Laughs)
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Juhi Chawla: No, to be so accepting because
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Sadhguru: No, it’s not about accepting.
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Right now, do you want to keep your mind
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your thought process pleasant or nasty?
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Tell me, what is your choice?
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Juhi Chawla: Ideally pleasant.
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Sadhguru: Just tell me, pleasant or nasty?
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You’re thinking about it, this is
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Juhi Chawla: No, I am trying to think
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should I fox you and say nasty (Laughter).
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Sadhguru: (Laughs) Say it.
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Juhi Chawla: (Laughs) Okay, nasty.
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Sadhguru: I’m going to bless you now (Laughter).
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Juhi Chawla: No, no, no.
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Okay I take back my words (Applause).
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Okay. All right, so
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Sadhguru: Any human being’s choice for themselves is definitely pleasantness, isn't it?
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Juhi Chawla: Yes.
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Sadhguru: Body, mind, emotion, everything and surroundings
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you want it pleasant.
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Juhi Chawla: Yes.
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Sadhguru: So why is it not pleasant?
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Surroundings are not pleasant because of many things
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Juhi Chawla: Yes.
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Sadhguru: If your thought and emotion are not pleasant,
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it’s entirely you, isn’t it?
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Juhi Chawla: Yes.
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Sadhguru: Surroundings – not entirely me, it’s so many forces.
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We have to manage them,
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we have to juggle them,
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not always are we successful with everything around us.
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You know different people have different levels of competence to manage the outside.
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Not all of us have the same… what to say,
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the skill to manage the outside.
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But inside, your emotion and your thought,
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why is it not happening your way?
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This is something we have to look at.
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This has to be addressed,
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every human being has to address this.
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At least your thought and your emotion must happen the way you want it.
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on a certain day, a lady went to sleep.
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A lady went to sleep;
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in her sleep – she had a dream.
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I think up there (Gestures) -
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oh there are two strata of people, nobody is asleep right (Laughter)?
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So that I could pick on you, I’m just looking if I can see.
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She went to sleep, up there (Gestures)
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and in her dream… She had a dream,
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in her dream she saw a hunk of a man standing in that corner.
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And then he started coming closer and closer and closer.
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He came so close she could even feel his breath.
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She trembled, not in fear and then she asked,
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“What will you do to me?”
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The man said, “Well lady, it’s your dream (Laughter).”
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Juhi Chawla: Okay.
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Sadhguru: I’m saying what’s happening in your mind is your bloody dream.
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Now the problem with life is –
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not that life is not happening the way you want it,
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even your dream is not happening the way you want it,
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that’s the problem (Laughter).
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I’m saying at least fix this,
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at least let the dream happen the way you want it.
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If you were dreaming the way you want right now,
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your thought and your emotion would be pleasant, isn’t it?
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Juhi Chawla: Yes, but it… Well
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Sadhguru: Fixing the world is another thing, that’s a different game.
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That needs lot of skill,
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this needs just willingness.
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Why we’re continuously talking about joy, blissfulness, love,
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is not because it’s a goal by itself,
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these are not goals by itself
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only by… when you are pleasant by your own nature,
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you stop being in pursuit of happiness.
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You are fine by yourself,
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you don’t have to go anywhere to feel pleasant.
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You don’t have to do anything to feel pleasant,
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sitting here you’re feeling very pleasant,
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now you will look at life the way it is.
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Otherwise, you’re an endless race,
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pursuit of your happiness is a lifelong thing.
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Till your deathbed you’re pursuing,
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what does it mean?
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If you’re pursuing happiness when you are five, I can understand,
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but that was not the fact,
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when you’re five you were simply happy by your own nature.
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When you’re fifty, you’re pursuing your happiness
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this is a failed story, isn’t it?
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Juhi Chawla: But, Sadhguruji, suppose we say this to the common man,
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who has a little house
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Sadhguru: Where did you meet a common man?
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Juhi Chawla:(Laughs). I’m imagining it,
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Sadhguru: every man or woman think they’re special, believe me
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Juhi Chawla: Oh yes.
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Sadhguru: Yes. So where did you meet a common man, I’m asking (Laughter).
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Juhi Chawla: Okay, Sadhguruji when you said about the common person and the special person,
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I know some teachers have always told us
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and why your own parents always tell you that you know –
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you are special,
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each one of us is unique
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and I remember this part,
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I am not sure whether I heard it at your discourse or on a DVD of yours,
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where you said… It was about you know people being special
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and us always thinking that God knows of us.
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And you said something like,
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“Do you know all the grasshoppers in your garden?”
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So, of course all of us have said, “No”.
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So, you said something like,
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“So, how does God know each one of you then?”
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And I was devastated because I always thought
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somebody up there knows me, cares about me and I’m special.
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Sadhguru: You thought… you thought you’re number
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you thought you were number one on his books, is it?
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Juhi Chawla: Well, I’ve been told since I was kid,
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“You’re special, you’re unique and God cares about you.”
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Sadhguru: Let me tell… Tch, tch, tch… See, if when somebody says you’re unique,
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it’s an insult (Juhi Laughs), you know
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Juhi Chawla: No, you said – no top line, so you’re
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Sadhguru: Okay.
29:37
Juhi Chawla: …peaking in different ways.
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Sadhguru: in this vast cosmos, this solar system is just a speck.
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Tomorrow morning if the whole solar system disappears, vanishes, evaporates,
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nobody will even notice it.
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Maybe it’s not even in the accounts books of creation,
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it’s so small.
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In this speck of a solar system,
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planet earth is a super speck.
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In that, Mumbai is a micro super speck.
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In that, you are a big man or a woman (Laughter).
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This is a huge problem.
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This is a very immense existential problem, you know (Laughs).
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This is because we have lost perspective as to who we are, what we are.
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Our psychological realities have become bigger than the cosmo… than the cosmic reality.
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That is the big problem.
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It’s time you step out of your cinema
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I’m… I’m not talking about the Hindi cinema,
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I’m talking about the cinema that everybody is playing in their own minds.
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See, See right now they darkened this whole hall
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because it works best that way.
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This is the basic technology of a cinema.
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If you do not darken the cinema hall,
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if you light it up and play a nice cinema, it’s not going to work.
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You have to darken it.
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So, I’m saying, a cinema of your mind because it’s a dark space.
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Every thought is enlarged,
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playing out bigger than the cosmic space.
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Today, everything in the cosmos is happening perfectly well,
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but you have one nasty thought crawling in your head
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and it feels like a bad day, isn’t it?
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Juhi Chawla: Yes. Yes.
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Sadhguru: So, that’s because your psychological realities,
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your petty creation has become larger than the Creator’s creation.
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You lost perspective of life.
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That is the fundamental basis of all this confusion and suffering.
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If you see who you are,
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the micro speck that you are,
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you wouldn’t imagine that God is made in your own image
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and he looks like you and whatever.
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Okay, if… if we were all buffalos,
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we would definitely think God is a big buffalo (Laughter).
31:47
Juhi Chawla: Okay. Okay, so what is it really?
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Please tell us the… Please define it for us,
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what is it?
31:54
What is going on – this life, this love.
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All these emotions that we go through in our lives,
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all these thoughts that we create for ourselves,
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what is going on?
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Sadhguru: See… These are all human possibilities and capabilities.
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Every possibility becomes a problem
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for those who do not explore the possibility in its right perspective.
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Thought is a tremendous possibility.
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An ant cannot think like you,
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he can work better than you,
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he’s more disciplined,
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he betters main… better traffic rules than you,
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there’s no traffic jam out there (Laughter),
32:28
okay but he cannot think like you.
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Juhi Chawla: Yes.
32:33
Sadhguru: That sets up apart.
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This is a possibility.
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But now, this possibility has become a problem for ninety percent of the humanity.
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Now they’re freaking because they can think
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and they’re thinking all the wrong things.
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Their thoughts have become nasty;
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if they were pleasant they would have enjoyed their thought process.
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Because it’s become nasty, it’s becoming a ailment, isn’t it?
32:53
People are suffering their thoughts immensely,
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because they do not know how to keep it pleasant,
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nothing has been done towards it.
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So, what is a possibility always becomes a problem
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if you do not explore it in the right perspective.
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So your thought and emotion has become a problem,
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now love affair is a problem,
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you’re making all kinds of things out of it,
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which are all coming from this misunderstanding,
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not understanding this thought and emotion is generated by me,
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I can generate it whichever way I want.
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If nastiness is what you like, you do it.
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I don’t care if that’s what you like
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but you’re suffering it.
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If you’re suffering it, you shouldn’t be doing it.
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I am not telling you, “Be loving.”
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What is your choice –
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pleasantness or unpleasantness?
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If unpleasantness is your choice, you enjoy it and do it,
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what’s my problem?
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You want to drink poison, what is my problem?
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I am just telling you this is poison, this is this –
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drink whatever you want, but by choice.
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Don’t drink unconsciously, that’s stupid.
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That’s not befitting of a human being,
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a human being means we are far more conscious than every other creature on this planet –
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that’s what sets us apart.
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Every creature eats but we can eat consciously.
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So our eating becomes so many things.
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Every creature has sexual drives,
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they go and fulfill it whichever way.
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We can do it consciously.
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So, we become something, something.
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We’re doing the same things but we’re doing it consciously,
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suddenly there is a magic about it,
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not because sex is magic, food is magic, no,
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because we can do it consciously.
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Every basic act like eating and copulating becomes magical
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because we can do it consciously.
34:34
If you leave that one thing,
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if you exclude that one thing from your life
34:38
that you are not conscious about the way you think,
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the way you feel,
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the way you act,
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the way you move your body –
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if you’re not conscious about it,
34:45
everything can turn ugly,
34:47
everything can become nasty.
34:49
So it is this which sets you apart from every other creature.
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So, a dog is walking on the street,
34:56
if you show it a biscuit it will wag its tail,
34:58
if you do this (Gestures), grrr it will do.
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If this is what you are that
35:02
if somebody is nice to you,
35:03
you will wag your whatever;
35:05
if somebody is not nice to you, you will bite them. I’m saying what
35:08
where is evolution in you?
35:09
Forget about civilization, I’m, talking about evolution.
35:12
Where’s the evolution,
35:14
where’s the sign of evolution I’m asking? (Applause)
35:19
Juhi Chawla: Okay, Sadhguruji let’s go to, hmm
35:22
Sadhguru: I’ve seen people copying answers in examination but never questions
35:25
Juhi Chawla: Yeah questions (Laughs).
35:30
Well,
35:33
Today, many women in our modern society are stepping out and having a career
35:42
and I just like to know, what do you think of this
35:45
of women stepping out, being career people, managing home as well,
35:50
being financially independent,
35:53
is this good?
35:56
Sadhguru: see every woman should do what she wants to do as an individual person.
36:02
It should not be made into a trend in a society or the only right thing to do in the world
36:08
because I think if… if a woman is
36:11
intends to have two children and raise them,
36:13
I think it’s a full time job.
36:16
I’m not saying she should not go out and work.
36:18
If she wishes to, as an individual person, she’s free to do what she wants to do.
36:23
But having two children is not about reproduction.
36:28
You’re manufacturing the next generation of people.
36:30
How the world will be tomorrow,
36:32
will be determined by what kind of mothers you have today,
36:36
believe me.
36:38
you know, I’ve seen many ladies coming to me and say,
36:41
when I ask “What’re you doing?
36:42
“Oh I’m just a housewife.”
36:44
I said, “Why do you say, you’re just a housewife?”
36:47
You… you don’t seem to understand the significance of,
36:51
you know, being able to nurture two or three new lives.
36:56
It’s not… it’s not a ‘not important’ job. It’s a very important job.
37:02
career - I want you to understand
37:04
Right now because we have made the whole world into economics
37:08
unfortunately women also getting as stupid as men.
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As if how much money you earn is going to determine the value of your life.
37:15
No,
37:16
it is just procurement of things that you need,
37:19
money is just about that.
37:21
Man was procuring,
37:22
woman was taking about the more beautiful aspects of life.
37:25
Now woman also wants to procure.
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If there is such an economic need in the family, fine she must do it.
37:31
But it is not a compulsive need,
37:33
it must not be set up as something better to do than doing something.
37:38
If she sings so… if she… if she plays music or if she just loves her children
37:43
or if she cooks beautifully
37:44
or she just lives beautifully like a flower,
37:47
it’s good enough, I’m saying.
37:49
It is not necessary that only if she earns this much money, she’s… her… she’s doing something valuable,
37:55
otherwise she’s not.
37:56
If there’s an economic need, she can do it.
37:59
Or if she has a passion for doing it, she can do it.
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But, let not such values be set up in the world because you’re not evolving,
38:05
you’re regressing,
38:06
you’re making survival more important than aesthetics of life (Applause).
38:19
JuhiChawla: Okay Sadhguruji. Let me take you away from this
38:23
and let me take you to a world of say films where I come from
38:27
Sadhguru: World of films, okay, let’s go. Let’s go movies (Laughter).
38:34
JuhiChawla: Years ago when films started
38:38
and you know through the sixties, seventies there were lovely stories,
38:42
nice values, beautiful music, lyrics;
38:46
by the time I was the star in movies some of our Jhatka matka’s might have shocked the previous generations
38:56
and they must have said what is all this?
38:58
But it was still within limits
38:59
Sadhguru: Whose limits (Laughter)?
39:01
JuhiChawla:…I mean what’s acceptable to society, whatever have been,
39:05
I’ll say… and then now today the complexion of films,
39:09
the kind of films we see,
39:11
you know it’s little clothed,
39:18
it’s live-in relationships
39:20
or you know up there on screen for everybody to see and night club culture.
39:27
I mean it sometimes worries me
39:29
that my children are growing up now
39:31
this is what they’re seeing, this is
39:33
these are the kind of songs that they’re listening to,
39:36
the lyrics are about you know
39:38
Sadhguru: From Janam janam to expiry date is the song (Laughter).
39:41
JuhiChawla: Yes. So this is the
39:44
this is what they’re watching, this is what they think is cool,
39:47
this is… this is the hip and happening stuff. I’m little
39:52
Sadhguru: I think by the time you came the janam janam was over, isn’t it (Laughter)?
39:55
JuhiChawla: No, it was still there, it was in the middle somewhere,
39:58
the music was wonderful, the lyrics was still lovely
40:01
but today it is munni badhnaam ho gayi and it things
40:05
things have really moved to chewing gums
40:08
and I’m forgetting at this moment what the lyrics are but then its… its
40:14
its… shallow right now.
40:17
India has the youngest population in the world right now
40:20
so with such a young nation growing up on this, this is the feed
40:26
I’m just a little concerned as to what they will turn out to be?
40:32
Sadhguru: I’m sure your parents were concerned too.
40:35
JuhiChawla: They (Laughter)… Okay. So, can I
40:37
Sadhguru: I’m sure my parents were very concerned when I was growing up.
40:43
So, every parent has this concern, every generation has this concern
40:47
that the next generation is going wrong always.
40:50
I understand what you’re saying
40:53
this sudden change if every generation likes to go
40:58
one step beyond where the previous generation has stepped in, on eve
41:03
almost everything just for the sake of doing something different or it’s natural they’ve grown up in one atmosphere
41:09
they take it to another level.
41:11
JuhiChawla: They move to the next level.
41:12
Sadhguru: Yes. Next is not always next (Laughs) that’s what you’re saying.
41:16
Next is not always next, right?
41:18
JuhiChawla: Yes. It’s not higher
41:20
Sadhguru: Okay.
41:21
Juhi Chawla: It’s somewhere else, it’s just… it’s
41:22
Sadhguru: It’s just next.
41:23
So, this concern is always there but
41:25
right now the change that is happening is not the next
41:30
it is a serious influence because
41:33
in the last fifteen years the world’s ability to communicate across cultures and borders
41:40
is so heavy and so unprecedented,
41:44
nobody has ever been used to these kind of influences before.
41:48
Okay, never before this level of influence on our young people
41:52
never before possible
41:53
no other generation has ever experienced this kind of onslaught from so many directions
41:57
and the volume of influence is too big.
42:01
So in terms of changes are happening not,
42:04
it is not next
42:05
it is simply somewhere and nobody knows where it is
42:09
because it’s too complex and too mixed.
42:12
Nobody knows where it is including the young people.
42:14
It’s just a mix of things.
42:17
So this is because of a sudden onslaught of information and communication.
42:22
It’s not for us to judge whether it’s good or bad;
42:26
it is just that definitely this level of information –
42:30
when I say information,
42:34
it’s like when we were growing up
42:37
I believe it was true for your generation also
42:42
we… we never knew what is boredom, okay?
42:45
This was… there was no such thing,
42:47
we were just excited about everything that came our way.
42:50
But you see today twelve-year-old kids,
42:53
if you tell them what – Ahhm(Gestures).
42:55
Juhi Chawla: Yes (Laughs).
42:57
Sadhguru: You see they’re just bored because
42:59
they know the whole cosmos there it’s
43:01
they have seen it on their phone screen not even on a computer screen.
43:04
On the phone screen they’ve seen the entire cosmos.
43:08
They know everything,
43:09
things that you do not know they know,
43:11
you ask them they know it.
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Juhi Chawla: Yes.
43:13
Sadhguru: By information
43:14
by the time they’re eighteen they have had five love affairs and gone (Laughter).
43:20
in the western world it’s like that here also it’s beginning to happen, okay.
43:24
So by the time they’re eighteen they’ve seen everything that you need to see
43:28
with body, mind, emotion, okay.
43:30
By the time they’re twenty-five what,
43:34
what next?
43:35
Juhi Chawla: What next, yes.
43:37
Sadhguru: No, you will see… this is not my wish
43:40
but this is something that I see the way people’s minds are working,
43:43
the way they’re being led in with information –
43:47
I’m not a… by any standards a pessimistic person
43:50
but I’m just seeing this
43:53
if this level of information continues and it will multiply many fold
43:56
for the coming generations,
43:58
you should not be surprised
44:00
in the next fifty to hundred years
44:02
if fifty percent of the human population choose to commit suicide
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you should not be surprised
44:08
because that is what will happen to the mind (Few audience clap).
44:11
Somebody is clapping, look at this it’s popular (Laughter).
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Juhi Chawla: No you have just touched a chord and that’s
44:17
Sadhguru: No, I’m saying
44:19
Juhi Chawla:…we think we realize something.
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Sadhguru: Today, today
44:22
this day more people commit suicide in this world
44:26
than all the wars and murders and accidents manage to kill.
44:31
So more people are on self-help already than
44:34
murderers, war mongers, bad drivers, everything put together,
44:39
more people are on self-help.
44:42
And if this level of information onslaught continues on human mind –
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I know the nature of mind absolutely because I know my mind,
44:51
I know how it works, what it can handle, what it cannot do,
44:54
I know it clearly what human mind is.
44:56
That’s the reason why I don’t have to read people’s books
45:01
or listen to their entire thing
45:03
if they say one sentence I know what their mind is
45:05
because I know the structure of human mind entirely.
45:07
Otherwise I wouldn’t be who I am.
45:10
So I’m saying this,
45:11
if this level of information onslaught continues at the same phase or at higher phase,
45:17
which is possible in the next few years,
45:21
this will definitely lead to wanting to terminate yourself
45:24
because there would be nothing to live for.
45:27
There is no joy and excitement about anything.
45:30
You please watch your children
45:32
by the time they’re twelve, fifteen they’re just bored.
45:35
You look back at your own life those of you who are over fifty years of age
45:39
just look back at in… or… on your own life.
45:41
When you were twelve, fifteen
45:43
was there any room for you to get bored about anything?
45:46
Simply you are excited about every little thing, isn’t it?
45:50
Juhi Chawla: Yeah.
45:51
Sadhguru: Today you will see it’s almost a common feature
45:54
twelve, fifteen year old kids are just bored only thing is (Gestures like operating phone).
45:58
Juhi Chawla: Yes, they are all on iPad’s and iPhones. Yes, they are on gadgets.
46:02
Sadhguru: Because we’re talking about Love and Life -
46:03
all this will not mean nothing because you had one love affair when you were eighteen years of age.
46:09
You thought this is your life and you’re going to… willing to die for it;
46:12
whether you died for it or not but at least at that time you thought you’ll die for it, okay?
46:17
Today by the… on Facebook they had twenty-two love affairs going simultaneously (Laughter).
46:24
It just means nothing.
46:27
I… I’m not saying they should have it or not have it;
46:30
all I’m saying is this will lead to a certain overload on the mind
46:34
and suddenly a human being will think why am I here?
46:38
You know that big Shakespearian question
46:41
“To be or not to be.”
46:42
Juhi Chawla: Yes.
46:44
Sadhguru: This is not the most intelligent question -
46:45
unfortunately people think so
46:47
this is only because you have not been touched by life.
46:51
You are not a piece of life,
46:53
you’re just a psychological case,
46:55
you are full of thoughts and emotions.
46:58
You have not touched life at all.
47:00
You think your thoughts and la… emotions are life?
47:03
No!
47:04
Your thoughts and emotions are the drama that you are creating in your mind,
47:08
it is your cinema.
47:09
You must be able to end it somewhere.
47:11
If you do not know how to put ‘the end’ then it’s going on endless cinema you’re going crazy.
47:18
Life is happening here,
47:20
you know your work is not life,
47:22
your family is not life, your career is not life,
47:24
your cinema is not life, your thought is not life,
47:27
your emotion is not life.
47:28
Life is happening here,
47:30
everything else is accessories to life.
47:33
Now the frills of life have become larger than life itself.
47:37
Life is entirely missed;
47:39
if you touch life within you, then it’s an explosion of energy.
47:44
When such a thing never happens to you,
47:46
because you have information about the whole cosmos on your phone screen,
47:51
you’ll never be touched by life because too much information, too much thought,
47:56
even emotion is drying up, too much thought.
47:59
This has happened.
48:00
If you look at European philosophy in the last hundred, hundred and fifty years
48:04
you will see if you read Dostoyevsky you will want to commit suicide.
48:08
Brilliant, intellectually brilliant
48:11
but you will wonder why are you alive
48:14
because intellect is like that. If you wake up in the morning
48:18
devoid of any… touching any life’s experience within you
48:22
don’t think about your child’s face,
48:24
do not think about the flowers in the garden,
48:27
birds in the sky,
48:28
nothing beautiful that ever touched you
48:30
just think logically you have to get out of bed that’s not a small feat,
48:34
you have to brush your teeth, breakfast, go to work, eat, work, eat, sleep
48:39
again tomorrow morning same thing,
48:41
next fifty years you have to do the same process every day.
48:44
If you look at it one hundred percent logically and intellectually
48:47
you will have no reason to live today morning
48:49
tomorrow morning.
48:52
It’s only if you’re touched by something suddenly it’s worth living.
48:56
If you’re not touched by anything then it’s not worth living.
49:01
What is... what is so worth living about a human being –
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waking up in the morning,
49:06
totking… tro… tr… you know troding (treading?) through life,
49:09
trudging through life everyday eating, sleeping, same rubbish.
49:10
What is the point?
49:11
There is no point, unless you’re touched by something,
49:14
some magic of life if it doesn’t touch you either in the form of love
49:18
or in the form of a flower or in the form of something within you.
49:22
If something doesn’t sparkle within you definitely there is a question
49:27
whether I should live or not, isn’t it?
49:29
And we are taking humanity in that direction with this overload of information.
49:34
Information is not knowing,
49:36
information is just garbage collection.
49:39
You just gather things which don’t mean anything to you.
49:43
You look smart in a tea party but you’re not smart with life,
49:46
okay.
49:47
If you’re smart with life you must be blissful, isn’t it (Laughs)?
49:50
If you’re really smart with life you must be joyful and blissful. Isn’t it so?
49:55
You’re only smart in a tea party
49:58
because you know when somebody is talking something,
50:01
“You know the galaxy Z22,
50:03
what happens there?”
50:05
Everybody – WOW! (Laughter)
50:07
They can also open the internet and the same thing.
50:09
You see… you think this guy visited the galaxy (Laughter)?
50:15
Juhi Chawla: So Sadhguruji then what is it,
50:17
okay so for all of us,
50:19
give us in clear simple, simple sentences –
50:21
do this and you will be at least on the way to be blissful or happy or aware or
50:29
living in a nice conscious way (Laughs).
50:32
Sadhguru: See if you… if you just observe,
50:35
if everybody makes a little effort,
50:38
everybody take a little time for this piece of life, okay.
50:43
Not for your family,
50:44
not for your career,
50:45
not for something else, something else,
50:47
just for this piece of life give it little time
50:50
because this is the most important piece of life in your life, isn’t it?
50:54
Yes or no?
50:56
Participants: Yes.
50:57
Sadhguru: Even if you’re in love with somebody (Laughs),
50:59
still this is the most important piece of life, isn’t it?
51:03
So pay some attention to this,
51:05
how does it happen, why have you taken it for granted?
51:09
Believe me you’re not going to be here for an…ever.
51:11
I’ll bless you with a long life but you’re going to fall dead one day (Laughter).
51:15
Yes or no?
51:16
Participants: Yes.
51:18
Sadhguru: So do not take this for granted.
51:21
If you wake up in the morning
51:22
tomorrow if you wake up in the morning (Laughter)
51:27
no this is not my wish but I want you to know
51:30
of all that people who go to bed tonight,
51:33
over a million people will not wake up tomorrow morning
51:39
and tomorrow if you and me wake up tomorrow morning,
51:42
is it not a fantastic thing?
51:45
A million people did not wake up.
51:47
You woke up,
51:48
is it not a great thing?
51:50
Participants: Yes.
51:51
Sadhguru: Just look at the ceiling and smile,
51:53
you are still awake (Laughter & Applause),
51:55
you’re still there.
51:58
A million people did not get up in the morning
52:01
and you woke up
52:04
and for many, many millions of people
52:08
somebody, who is dear to them did not wake up.
52:11
So just check those five, six people around you
52:14
they all woke up – WOW! It’s a fantastic day (Laughter).
52:19
You woke up and everybody who matters to you around you woke up,
52:24
is it not fantastic day?
52:26
Juhi Chawla: Yes.
52:27
Sadhguru: You don’t think so?
52:28
Participants: Yes (Laughter)
52:29
Juhi Chawla: Yes, yes.
52:30
Sadhguru: You don’t seem to think so
52:32
because the problem is just this you are living with an idea that you are immortal.
52:39
When I say you’re immortal,
52:41
you’re not actually thinking you’re immortal
52:43
but you’re not conscious of your mortality.
52:46
If you’re not conscious of your mortality,
52:49
somewhere you think you’re immortal, isn’t it?
52:52
How many moments in a day are you conscious that you’re mortal?
52:56
If you were conscious would you have time to crib,
53:00
would you have time to fight with somebody,
53:03
would you have time to do some rubbish with your life?
53:06
If you knew
53:08
if you’re conscious that you are mortal you would do nothing
53:12
other than what is absolutely needed for you and everybody around you.
53:16
This one thing if you do
53:18
if you just remind yourself you
53:20
don’t think this is a negative thing,
53:22
death is not a negative thing; it’s the only thing which has added value to your life.
53:26
If you’re here forever you would be unbearable (Laughter).
53:29
Juhi Chawla: Yeah (Laughs), yes, yes.
53:32
Sadhguru: Isn’t it?
53:33
Aren’t we glad everybody dies one day (Laughs)?
53:36
If you just become conscious of this one thing
53:40
that always you’re conscious that “I’m mortal,”
53:44
you don’t have to think “I will die today.”
53:46
We don’t intend, we want to live as far as possible,
53:48
just you know “One day I will die.”
53:50
If you’re just conscious of this one thing
53:52
you will naturally become spiritual.
53:54
You will not become spiritual by thinking about God.
53:58
You will become unrealistic, hallucinatory, you will start talking to somebody,
54:03
you will start doing all kinds of things.
54:05
Already people, you know they have ear phones ON and they’re talking
54:07
you don’t know whether they’ve lost it or they… (Laughter)
54:11
Ten years ago if somebody was walking on the street talking you would know that he’s lost
54:15
but today you don’t know (Laughter).
54:18
Whether they got their head phones on
54:21
or they just lost it and they’re talking, we cannot make out.
54:24
But if you are conscious that you’re mortal every moment of your life,
54:31
spiritual process has begun for you.
54:34
So the one… one of the main reasons,
54:37
one of the fundamental reasons why that all these things have to be taught to you that she is repeatedly asking this question
54:43
‘were you born special, did you have normal birth or not’ is simply because
54:46
most people have forgotten they are mortal.
54:49
They think they’re immortal, they may not actually think they’re immortal
54:54
but they’re not conscious they are mortal.
54:56
With every step with every breath if they were conscious of this,
55:00
you know how consciously they would live?
55:03
They would become fantastic. It is your mortality which makes you, want to know what is the nature of your existence.
55:09
You really want to know where you came from, where you will go only when it sinks into you
55:15
all this drama pup - one day it will end
55:19
but right now you think only others appear in obituary columns,
55:22
you are only going to read it (Laughter & Applause).
55:29
Juhi Chawla: That was… that was simply beautiful.
55:33
Sadhguru: That’s all that’s needed
55:35
if you want to know the value of life
55:39
just know that it’s a brief happening.
55:42
the time that you spend here as life it’s a very relative experience.
55:48
If you’re truly joyful and ecstatic, it’s horribly brief, believe me.
55:54
I feel like I was born day before yesterday,
55:56
see already how I have become (Showing his beard) (Laughter), okay?
55:59
Juhi Chawla: (Laughs) Yes, yes.
56:00
Sadhguru: But on a particular day if you’re depressed or miserable,
56:05
one day seems like an endless thing.
56:07
So, only miserable people have a looooooooong life (Laughter).
56:13
If you’re a joyful, ecstatic person life is always brief,
56:17
if you live to be hundred it’s still very brief.
56:19
For what possibilities a human being carries, for the immensity of what a human being is –
56:26
it’s too brief a life.
56:27
If you’re given hundred years, two hundred years it’s still, still too brief
56:31
because before you know what’s happening before you exp… exp… explore a few dimensions of life it’ll be over.
56:38
It’ll be over, over, okay.
56:41
Only miserable people have a very long life.
56:44
They feel it’s very long (Laughs).
56:47
Juhi Chawla: Sadhguruji here we have a few questions
56:51
The first stion is from Prabhas Sundaras… Sundar Sen -
56:57
where and how do we draw the line between loving unconditionally
57:02
and becoming a doormat (Laughter)?
57:15
Sadhguru: See we need to understand this -
57:18
what’s being right now passed around as love is generally a mutual benefit scheme
57:29
you give me this, I’ll give you that;
57:31
if you don’t give me that I don’t give you this
57:34
this is not said but it’s done (Laughter).
57:37
Juhi Chawla: Okay (Laughs).
57:39
Sadhguru: It’s done, isn’t it?
57:41
It’s not said.
57:43
So, human beings have physical, psychological, emotional, economic, social
57:49
and various other kinds of needs.
57:51
To fulfill these things
57:54
when you say “I love you”,
57:57
instead of making these things ugly needs that we have to
58:00
ugly transactions that we have to do – you give me this, you give me that
58:03
to bring some aesthetic and beauty to this transaction,
58:07
we quote it with a certain amount of sweetness of emotion
58:11
which we call as love affair
58:13
where the transactions happen more smoothly
58:16
because once we are human somehow doing basic transactions in a basic way makes us feel ugly.
58:22
If you take food with both your hands and eat it, it’s ugly, isn’t it?
58:27
We want to eat in a certain way.
58:28
Similarly to fulfill our physical needs,
58:31
emotional needs, economic needs we have arrangements,
58:34
where we can conduct this in a more aesthetic manner.
58:37
I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, this is the fact of life.
58:40
So, this level of love,
58:44
I call this
58:45
this is enough for… to fulfill the domestic needs of one’s
58:51
you know for two people to live together,
58:53
to fulfill their needs,
58:54
to produce children,
58:55
to raise them, domestic level of love affair people can have.
58:59
But if people want to have a love affair which will bring them to an ultimate union,
59:05
then not many people are competent to do that.
59:10
Not people… not many people are ready to have that kind of a love affair
59:14
where it’ll make two lives into one.
59:17
Two becomes actually one in experience
59:20
that will need something more.
59:23
Most people are competent of using love to fulfill the domestic needs
59:30
but to go beyond that they are not ready.
59:32
When I say they’re not ready, either
59:35
I’m not talking about this person or that person.
59:37
So when one is ready and another is not ready or
59:40
one is making an effort and another doesn’t have the effort,
59:43
then it feels like somebody is becoming a doormat.
59:46
That is what it is that it feels like they’re being exploited
59:50
but above all, one who is longing to become… use love as a way of ultimate union
59:57
should not be bothered about being doormat, this and that.
60:00
In India we have a culture
60:02
where by choice people name themselves as slaves.
60:05
You know Ramdas, Krishnadas, this das, that das
60:08
what is this?
60:09
They’re openly saying “I’m a slave,
60:11
I’m a doormat,
60:12
I want to be a doormat.”
60:14
They are not saying, “I’m afraid I’ll be used as a doormat.”
60:17
They’re saying, “I want to be doormat”(Laughs).
60:21
So, this is a kind of love that they’re wanting to use to
60:25
use for ultimate union,
60:27
this is not for domestic purposes.
60:30
So, if you’re looking for ultimate union then love is a different affair.
60:35
If you’re looking for conducting of domestic affairs
60:39
then you must manage dignity,
60:42
who gets what?
60:43
If anybody is using more than what they should then
60:45
if you don’t give me that I don’t give you this, okay?
60:49
Otherwise if you’re looking for ultimate union
60:51
you should not think of all these things, that’s a different affair.
60:54
That’s not for normal social thing.
60:57
if you fall in love itself you become vulnerable to somebody.
61:00
Juhi Chawla: Yes.
61:01
Sadhguru: Without becoming vulnerable there is no love affair,
61:03
you have to fall.
61:06
When you fall, somebody may raise you
61:08
or somebody may walk over you (Laughs).
61:10
Juhi Chawla: Yes.
61:11
Sadhguru: But the thing is the
61:13
the experience of your life is beautiful
61:15
because you fell not because they raised you,
61:18
not because they walked over you,
61:20
because you could actually have the sense of abandon in you to fall,
61:26
that was the beauty of your love affair
61:28
not what they gave you, what they did to you, this – no!
61:31
The beauty was you sat alone and you think you really loved this person
61:36
so much you’re willing to die,
61:37
that was the most beautiful moment (Applause).
61:40
Not the moment they gave you a big gift,
61:42
not the moment they gave you a diamond ring,
61:43
not the moment they said this and that about you – no!
61:46
You just sat here and you’re willing to die, that was the moment;
61:50
not just a doormat,
61:52
you’re willing to be the dust on their feet, okay?
61:56
I’m not saying you should be like that –
61:58
I’m saying where love transformed itself into a devotion.
62:03
If you fall in love itself you become very vulnerable
62:06
but there are still some shreds of sanity in love affairs that you can recover.
62:14
But if you become a devotee there is no sanity left and you cannot recover.
62:18
So, before you tread such a land
62:21
you must see whether you’re for it or not.
62:24
What are your goals first of all?
62:25
If your goal is to make a life a cautioned,
62:30
a very measured love affair is good
62:35
but you’re… your… your thing is you want to dissolve into the process of life
62:40
you don’t want to have a good life,
62:42
you’re not planning to have a good life
62:44
you just want to become explosion of life,
62:47
you don’t care what you get and what you don’t get,
62:49
then you become a devotee.
62:51
a devotion means it’s your intention to dissolve into your object of devotion.
62:56
So a devotee is not expecting whether I’ll become a doormat or a crown on somebody’s head.
63:02
Whatever I become as long as I can touch your feet or head or whatever,
63:06
it’s fine with me.
63:08
Juhi Chawla: Yeah.
63:09
Sadhguru: So that’s a different state of existence.
63:11
I don’t think
63:12
somebody who is looking for domestic level of love affair should even ask that question (Laughs & Applause).
63:22
JuhiChawla: Mmm, We have one question from the social media the Facebook (Laughter).
63:27
AmitMadan wants to know
63:29
in this materialistic age the real feeling of love is disappearing from our life,
63:35
most of the love we receive from others and express to others is superficial.
63:41
How can we reinforce the real feeling of love in our own life and in others?
63:48
Sadhguru: Forget about others.
63:50
If you
63:51
if you learn to be loving by your own nature
63:55
not because of somebody else or something else
63:58
I know the question is coming from Facebook,
64:01
there’s an enormous possibility (Laughter),
64:04
you can even love those people who don’t even exist (Laughter),
64:08
so, I’m saying it’s a tremendous possibility
64:11
so (Laughs)
64:13
if you just become love,
64:15
not love somebody then you will know the nature of love.
64:20
If you love somebody it’s a fickle happening
64:23
because no human being will happen hundred percent the way you want them.
64:27
Every human being on this planet is going to disappoint you, believe me,
64:30
not because they’ll do something wrong because nobody can fulfill the
64:35
unrealistic expectation you have of them.
64:38
It’s simply not possible.
64:40
Have you been able to fulfill anybody’s expectation I’m asking you entirely?
64:45
Partially but never entirely, isn’t it?
64:49
So nobody else will be able to do it
64:51
unless you’re a still such a hopeless romantic
64:53
you’re still waiting that ideal person is going to come from somewhere –
64:58
no!
64:59
Believe me whoever comes,
65:00
I want you to know the ideal people whom you worship,
65:03
when Krishna was there his wives complained (Laughter), all right?
65:09
JuhiChawla: So there is no hope for us,
65:12
yes?
65:13
Please remember this (Laughter), okay.
65:19
Sadhguruji this is where we open yes the platform,
65:25
its… anybody has a question this is the moment.
65:29
Questioner: My name is Ananth.
65:30
My question is about marriage,
65:34
divorce.
65:35
Sadhguru: No, no, they are two different things (Laughter & Applause).
65:40
Questioner: what I see today is many youngsters like many of them they don’t want to marry
65:47
and few of them who marry
65:50
there are occasions where they are getting divorced;
65:54
so would you like to throw some light on this situation Sadhguru?
65:59
Sadhguru: See, you need to understand the institution of marriage.
66:04
One thing is as we said a little while ago
66:09
it’s about bringing a certain sanctity to the simple basic needs that every human being has.
66:16
I will repeat there are physical needs,
66:19
there are psychological needs,
66:21
there are economic needs,
66:22
emotional needs,
66:23
social needs,
66:24
variety of needs.
66:27
To fulfill all these things we set up an institution called marriage
66:31
where all these can be conducted in a sensible manner,
66:34
otherwise if we did it on the streets like every other creature
66:38
it would turn ugly for us.
66:40
And we will feel not good about it.
66:43
So, to bring some sense of organization,
66:47
some aesthetic,
66:48
some stability,
66:49
because man and woman coming together naturally brought fresh life.
66:55
The nature of human life,
66:58
the nature of human offspring is such
67:01
that because of the possibilities that a human being carries,
67:06
it is... compared to any other creature, it is the most helpless life
67:11
which needs maximum amount of support.
67:14
You could leave a puppy on the street;
67:16
as long as he gets food, he grows up into a good dog,
67:20
no problem.
67:21
But not so with a human being;
67:24
he doesn’t need just physical support,
67:26
he needs variety of support and stab… above all the stable situation.
67:31
Whether there should be marriage in society or not
67:36
one will debate when they are eighteen because
67:39
physical body is asking for freedom, all right.
67:43
At that time everybody questions –
67:46
is marriage really needed,
67:47
why can’t we just live whichever way we want?
67:50
But when you are three years of age you valued marriage immensely,
67:56
a stable marriage immensely.
67:58
Isn’t it so?
67:59
Yes or no?
68:01
JuhiChawla: Yes, yes.
68:02
Sadhguru: Not yours,
68:03
your parents.
68:04
JuhiChawla: The parents, yes (Laughter).
68:05
Sadhguru: When you were three, four of yours
68:06
three, four years of age you’re one hundred percent for marriage
68:09
again when you become forty-five, fifty again you’re hundred percent for marriage
68:13
between and eighteen and thirty-five you’re questioning the whole process (Laughter & Applause),
68:18
okay?
68:19
JuhiChawla: That’s true (Laughs).
68:21
Sadhguru: I’m not saying marriage is the thing but do you have a better alternative?
68:25
If you have a better alternative,
68:27
damn the marriage
68:30
but you have not come up with a better alternative
68:33
because a stable situation is a must for a child.
68:36
Once you have a child it’s a twenty year project (Laughter), okay?
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That is if they do well,
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if they don’t do well it’s a lifelong project (Laughter & Applause).
68:50
So if you want to get into such projects
68:53
at least twenty years there must be a commitment to create a stable situation.
68:59
Your whims and fancies will change,
69:01
your emotions will change;
69:03
if that is what it is, don’t get into such situations.
69:06
It’s not compulsory for everybody to get married,
69:10
it’s good young pe… you were saying people are thinking whether to get married.
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I’m glad it is not necessary for everybody
69:15
but if you get into it and if you… especially if you get into children
69:19
you must understand, it’s a minimum twenty year project
69:22
whether you like it or you don’t like it.
69:24
Otherwise you shouldn’t get into those projects,
69:27
you don’t walk into a project,
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drop it half way and walk away, isn’t it?
69:30
They have their benefits and they have their problems.
69:33
It’s your choice but at least choose consciously.
69:37
You don’t have to get married because everybody is getting married,
69:39
you don’t have to talk about marriage and divorce in same breath
69:43
as if they come together (Laughter).
69:46
This is a completely an American idea,
69:48
you’re thinking of marriage and divorce together
69:50
nobody thought of divorce in this country till recently, isn’t it?
69:54
Why should you ever talk about marriage and divorce in one breath?
70:00
It’s… it’s a crime.
70:01
It’s really a crime to think on those lines.
70:03
But if it so happens
70:05
something truly went wrong between two people
70:08
and they have to separate that will any way inevitably happen.
70:11
You don’t have to plan it at the time of wedding (Laughter).
70:17
Questioner: Namaskaram Sadhguru.
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NamaskaramJuhi Mam.
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you mentioned about survival
70:23
and you talked about aesthetics of life.
70:25
I would like
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I would request you to elaborate on aesthetics of life
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and my second question is for my friend -
70:32
I don’t know whether you will answer it or not
70:34
but I just want to mention it over here
70:36
because she has requested me to do so.
70:40
Her question is
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what is the purpose of this universe?
70:43
Sadhguru: Oh! Tell your friend I didn’t make it (Laughter).
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Questioner: Thank you so much.
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Sadhguru: Why am I being blamed for these things (Laughter)? I
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the only thing I have done is I’ve figured the nature of my life
71:01
and by figuring the nature of this life
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I know by inference
71:07
every life has happened the same way,
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not just every life,
71:10
the very cosmos has happened the same way.
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If you know the nature of this life from its origin to its ultimate
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you know the nature of everything by inference,
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everything that’s worth knowing.
71:22
So, tell your friend I didn’t make this Universe
71:25
so don’t blame me for such big things.
71:27
I just figured my way through my life
71:29
and we should figure it
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if you figure it you will see the most important thing that’s happening in your life right now is
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that you’re alive,
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nothing else.
71:43
Not that stocks have gone up today that’s not the most important thing,
71:46
not your love affair,
71:48
not this and that –
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if you don’t understand what I’m saying
71:51
suppose tomorrow you lost… I’m not saying you must wish
71:55
I’m not wishing you must loose
71:57
but suppose tomorrow you lost half your money and you’re feeling depressed
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and your mind says I want to die.
72:03
Close your mouth, hold your nose like this (With hands blocking nose) for two minutes,
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your body says to hell with your money, I want to live (Laughter/Applause).
72:19
Tomorrow you found your… love affair collapsed
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and your mind says I want to die,
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check (Sadhguru blocks his nose and closes mouth) (Laughter).
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The life within you says to hell with your love affair, I want to live.
72:33
every time you feel little suicidal or depressed
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just check (Again blocks mouth and nose),
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the life within you says to hell with all these things, I want to live.
72:45
So, I want to know the most important thing that’s happening to you right now is life itself,
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not the fancy thoughts that you have,
72:55
not the emotions that you have,
72:57
not financial arrangements
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or family arrangements
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or whatever rubbish you have built around you
73:02
these are all accessories to life,
73:05
these are all frills.
73:06
Frills are so much you’re missing the skirt,
73:09
that’s the whole problem with you (Laughter).
73:12
Yes,
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so much frill
73:14
fundamental things are forgotten (Laughter).
73:19
So this is the most important thing.
73:23
right now for most people life means their job,
73:26
life means the new house they’re building,
73:27
life means the car that they bought,
73:29
life means their wife, their husband, their children –
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No!
73:32
Life means what’s throbbing here (Pointing to himself),
73:34
not even your body,
73:34
not your mind,
73:35
not your thought,
73:37
not your emotion.
73:37
What is right now throbbing here (Pointing to himself) this is life.
73:41
Because this is ON everything else seems to be meaningful.
73:45
If this one stops nothing around you means any damn thing to you or to anybody.

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