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Sadhguru - Inclusive Consciousness


"Developing an Inclusive Consciousness" | Talks At Google

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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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[APPLAUSE]
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JONATHAN BERENT: Good afternoon, everyone.
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My name is Jonathan Berent, and I'll be your host today.
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Thank you so much for coming.
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Thanks to those that are on the livestream today as well.
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We live in dynamic times.
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Never before has a generation been so assaulted by the images
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from the media, stories from the internet
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that seem to touch a nerve in us personally.
00:34
Seems like every week, whether you are black or white,
00:39
straight or gay, from a rich background
00:42
or a poor background, there's a story
00:44
that elicits a reaction in us.
00:47
But there is hope.
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As long as the human spirit is alive on this planet,
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there will always be hope.
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We only have to think of names like Mahatma Gandhi or Mother
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Teresa, now Saint Teresa, Anne Frank or Martin Luther King,
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to know that it just takes a single, passionate individual
01:06
who has the courage to risk it all to bring
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the light into this world.
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If you would, picture one of their iconic faces in your mind
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right now.
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Just take a moment.
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Bring one to mind.
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What do you notice inside?
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Is it courage, inspiration, love?
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Before them, there had been numerous beacons of change
01:30
that have walked from all walks of life.
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Milarepa was a Tibetan monk who was very revengeful
01:37
in his youth, but then he became one
01:39
of Tibet's most loved and cherished figures of history.
01:43
Saint Francis of Assisi was a rich, disillusion young man
01:47
who left it all to pursue a life of compassion and generosity
01:52
towards everyone.
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The prophet Muhammad was also born into a noble family
01:58
and grew up to be rich but then turned contemplative.
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What these three individuals have in common is they
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all had the courage to do the inner work first
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before they brought outer change.
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Let's stop there for a minute.
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Speaking of inner work, how many of you
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might have had a little twinge of emotion
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when I said one of these names?
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Why?
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Well, these names, these last three ones,
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are associated with world religions.
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And some of these religions have been associated with violence.
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We're not talking about religion today.
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We're not talking about spirituality today.
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You can all breathe a sigh of relief.
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We are talking about taking a moment to reflect on the times
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that we live in and what they require of us, what they
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require of us as an individuals and what they require
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of us as a company, one of the most influential companies
02:54
on the planet.
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If you felt a twinge of emotion when
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I mentioned one of these names or even the word "religion,"
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that's normal.
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If you feel outraged by the things you see on TV
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or read in the newspaper, that's normal.
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If you have passionate feelings about the election that's
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coming up in a month, that's normal.
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In fact, if you don't have some of those passionate feelings,
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I'd say that's not normal.
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[LAUGHTER]
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However, we have to learn to deal with these emotions.
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We have to learn to find ways that
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integrate our thoughts and our emotions more constructively
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so we can more skillfully navigate these dynamic times
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so we can have impact.
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Today we hope to give you both the permission and the tools
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to do just that.
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Sadhguru is a realized yogi and mystic.
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He's a man whose passion spills into everything he touches,
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including, I learned yesterday, golf.
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With a keen mind and an unbounded heart,
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his presence alone gives you a taste
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of what the natural state of the mind
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can experience in terms of love and joy and freedom.
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Sadhguru's vision to transform the world
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has been unfolding over the last 30 years.
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The Isha Foundation, which he started,
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has numerous programs to promote inclusive culture
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and establish global harmony.
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Named one of India's 50 most influential individuals,
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he has deeply touched the lives of millions worldwide.
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He has spoken at forums like the United Nations
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and humble villages throughout India.
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He's equally known for his transformational yoga programs,
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as well as his large-scale social projects.
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The projects address things like quality education
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for the poor, environmental stewardship, holistic health,
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peace, and well-being.
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Sadhguru says joy is our nature, misery our own making.
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This is a provocative statement that he addresses
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in his new book, "Inner Engineering, a Yogi's Guide
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to Joy," which there will be a few copies for sale
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in the back.
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Sadhguru.
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[APPLAUSE]
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SADHGURU: You don't mind if I cross my legs?
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JONATHAN BERENT: No, please.
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SADHGURU: My brains don't work if I don't cross my legs.
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JONATHAN BERENT: Your brain doesn't work?
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SADHGURU: Yeah. [CHUCKLING]
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JONATHAN BERENT: Yeah, all right.
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SADHGURU: [CHUCKLING]
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JONATHAN BERENT: Thank you so much for joining us today,
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Sadhguru.
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I think the audience is very interested in what
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you have to say.
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I guess to start, they define inclusive consciousness.
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I'd love to hear your thoughts on--
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SADHGURU: They did not define it.
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JONATHAN BERENT: They did not.
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OK, well I was just going to ask you what's missing.
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[LAUGHTER]
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So you can start.
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SADHGURU: With all due respect, they spoke about intent,
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right intent.
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They spoke about the right kind of thoughts,
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Emotions, attitudes, and to some extent actions.
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There is no consciousness in this.
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If we are understanding that the way we think,
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feel, and act is of a consciousness, no.
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It is lie.
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We are mistaking a plant.
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We are mistaking the flower for the soil.
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We are mistaking expressions for the source.
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This is something that's happening everywhere,
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not just here.
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People think by changing attitudes,
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their consciousness will change.
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No.
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By changing attitudes, certain actions
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will change-- yes, positive, beneficial.
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But it is not truly transformative.
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Change will happen.
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Transformation will not happen.
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If I have to define a distinction between change
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and transformation, change means the residue of the past
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will still remain.
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A transformation means nothing of the past
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will remain, which is what is needed today
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if you want to create a new world,
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if you want a new generation to have a fresh life.
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It's been expressed in so many ways.
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Being in this part of the world, what their family are with,
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generally, someone said, leave the dead to the dead.
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It's very significant.
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This is not coming out of recklessness.
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This is not coming out of unconcern.
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But this is coming with the concern
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that you must be a fresh life.
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You can learn many things from the past
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about how to conduct yourself.
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But there is nothing to learn from the past about how to be.
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Because you are a complete life by yourself.
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You don't have to learn how to be a life from the past.
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Maybe you have to learn how to be a good engineer.
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Maybe you have to learn how to be something else
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in the society from the past.
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But you don't have to learn how to be a life from the past,
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because past has nothing to do with this.
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This is a fresh life, and this is a complete life.
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Consciousness is that dimension, which is
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the very source of who we are.
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Our intentions, our actions, our thoughts, and our attitudes
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are a consequence of that.
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Or in other words, we are trying to fix the consequence
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without fixing the source.
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Now all these distinctions of variety of things
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that they said, gender discriminations,
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racial discriminations, every kind, OK?
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Somebody is Hindu, somebody is a Muslim,
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somebody is a Googler-- it becomes a religion
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after some time, believe me.
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[LAUGHTER]
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Second generation, they will become a religion
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by themselves.
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Yes.
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I'm saying you will see a football match going on.
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It's like a religion, two different clubs.
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They're willing to fight and kill each other.
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Just a game. [CHUCKLING] So where does this come from?
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See, the nature of being human is this.
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If you give me two minutes.
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There are four dimensions of our mind.
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In modern societies, the nature of our education
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has constipated our mind in such a way
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because we are just largely using just one dimension,
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which we call as the intellect.
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The other dimensions of mind, if I
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have to use Indian terminology, it
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means buddhi, ahankara, manas, and chitta.
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What buddhi means is the intellect.
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You do what you want.
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The nature of the intellect is to slice things open and see.
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If you leave the world in the hands of your intellect,
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your intellect will chop it into a million pieces
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and will want to chop it into further micro pieces
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and want to chop it into further micro-micro pieces,
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depending upon how sharp your intellect is.
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The sharper your intellect, the more you dissect the world.
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You cannot stop it, because that is the nature of the intellect.
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And it's good.
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So you must apply intellect only to know
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the material aspects of life.
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You can't know life this way.
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If I want to know you, can I dissect you?
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JONATHAN BERENT: No.
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[LAUGHTER]
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SADHGURU: But if a doctor wants to know some aspect of you,
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materially what's wrong with you, he will take a biopsy.
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And in a way, he opens it up and looks at it.
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It's OK on that level.
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But I can't know you as a person by dissecting you.
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I can't know you as a life by dissecting you.
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I can know a part of your body maybe.
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Similarly, I can know parts of the world to make use of it.
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But I can't know life as such.
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So intellect has been over-energized
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in the last 100, 150 years.
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This is a European impact on the rest of the world, where we
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think our thought is supreme.
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Someone went to the extent of saying, I think so I exist
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or whatever.
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[LAUGHTER]
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I want to ask all of you a simple question.
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Tell me, is it because we exist we may think?
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Or is it because we think we exist?
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Which way is it?
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Hello?
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Because we exist, we may think, because people
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are in such a state of mental diarrhea all the time.
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Nonstop it's going on.
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They think it's more of an existence than existence.
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But my head is all the time empty
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unless I want to think about something.
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So I know a thought is not necessary.
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I can just live here without a thought.
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When I want, I will think.
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Otherwise, I'll keep quiet.
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Just like my hand-- if I want to use it,
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otherwise I keep it here.
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Similarly, you must be able to do this with your mind.
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Just because you lost control over your mind and you think
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it's everything because it's entering
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into every aspect of your life where it has no business.
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Thought has been over-energized by people.
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And the very nature of the thought is such that if you
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think it must be logical, it cannot be any other way.
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Well, what somebody is thinking may look illogical to you,
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but they have found their own logic.
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The most extreme person that you have met,
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within himself or herself, they have their own logic.
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Isn't it so?
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They're not speaking illogically as far as they're concerned.
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They have found their own kind of logic.
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Logic means it needs two.
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Logic means it needs division.
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Now logically you're trying to arrive
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at inclusive consciousness.
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It's not going to happen.
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Because you're using a knife to stitch.
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This is not going to work.
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If you use a knife to cut, it's efficient.
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You use a knife to stitch things together,
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you will only tear it up further.
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So my thought and your thought, I
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am telling you, whatever great meetings you have-- I've
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been to every kind of peace conference on the planet.
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What happens there?
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[LAUGHTER]
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It's just short of war.
14:10
[LAUGHTER]
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After some time, it heats up.
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But on the second day anyway, it's all over.
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They all get drunk in the evening, and they go home.
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[LAUGHTER]
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If you make them stay there for a week,
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I'm telling you right there, there will be a battle.
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Yes, it is true.
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I'm not saying this with any disdain.
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I made a sincere effort to participate
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in all these conferences at one time,
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believing they're going to lead to peace.
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But eight years ago, I decided I will again go to these events,
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because people are professional conference attendees.
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[LAUGHTER]
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They're making a living out of it.
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It's not about peace.
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So the next dimension of intelligence
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is called as ahankara.
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Ahankara means identity.
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This is important.
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In modern societies, we have not cultured our children
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to culture their identity.
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When I say identity, the fundamental identity for you
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is always your body.
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There's a racial thing that concerns him and concerns
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all of us.
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I'm darker than him, you know.
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I face it all the time, joyfully.
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But I face it everywhere I go.
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I have extra features which make me further discriminated.
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[LAUGHTER]
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But our first identity is with the body.
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When we identify with the body, the color of the skin
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also becomes part of it.
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Why do we identify with the body?
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Because our experience is limited to this.
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If you say me, you mean this, isn't it?
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Because you experience of life is limited to this,
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naturally you are identified with this, and this is you,
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and this is how you look.
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Somebody looks so different, whether in gender
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or because of race or because of maybe just fashion-- who knows
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what makes them different?
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But suddenly, this is me, that's you.
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It's established.
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But we sit here in this hall.
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Whatever the color of our skin, whatever our religion,
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whatever our agenda, we are inhaling and exhaling
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the same air.
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But we have no issue.
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Body has no problem.
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But the identity has a problem.
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You are identified with something.
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We have not cultured our children
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right from an early age that your identity
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should be universal.
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This is something in India traditionally.
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Before you start education for a child,
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there is something called [INAUDIBLE],
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where the first chant that they must do
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is that my identification is with the entire cosmos.
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Without this, you should not give education to a child.
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That is the understanding.
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Because education is seen as an empowerment.
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You should not empower a person who
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has limited identifications.
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Because it doesn't matter whether it's
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of individual nature or of family or of community
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or race, religion, nation.
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It doesn't matter.
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Once you have limited identity, you will cause disharmony.
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You will cause cruel things thinking
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you're doing the right thing.
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I know the debate always goes to ISIS and things like this.
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I want you to understand this.
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These people, looking at their actions,
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you may be sitting here-- I know I'm getting into a minefield.
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Sitting here, all of us think, these are horrible people.
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But you must understand this.
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They believe they're doing the greatest thing
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that a human being can do.
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They're working for God.
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There can be no better employer.
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[LAUGHTER]
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Not Google-- God.
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[LAUGHTER]
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JONATHAN BERENT: Who you've never prayed to.
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SADHGURU: [CHUCKLING] That's my problem.
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[LAUGHTER]
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What I'm saying, you should have seen this.
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I'm sure you guys can Google anything.
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You must see there is a press meet that the Afghan Taliban is
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conducting with the international media
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just before the United States invaded Afghanistan.
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All these young guys with long beards and big, big turbans,
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they're all sitting like this.
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And they're asking questions.
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Just then they bomb that Buddha statue,
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and they made this thing that girls should not
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go to school and many other things.
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So these kind of questions are coming.
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Whatever you ask them, they say, in our holy book, our prophet,
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our God said this, this, this.
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We're just doing that.
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I was just watching those guys, I had tears in my eyes.
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These are wonderful guys.
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These are guys who are willing to die
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for what they believe in.
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But they've been screwed up by the scriptures.
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Yes, these are wonderful people who
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are willing to die for what they think is that right, all right?
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A man who is willing to die for what he thinks
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is right is a great man.
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But look at the consequence, simply
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because of limited identity.
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So there's ahankara.
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This identity is what wills the intellect.
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If you hold the right identity, from an early age
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if it's brought into us that your identity is
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with the entire cosmos-- because nothing
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happens here without everything's involvement
19:48
in you.
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We are sitting on this round planet, which
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is spinning and moving at a great speed
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in the middle of nowhere.
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You don't know where it begins, where it ends, this thing.
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And look at us sitting here and talking.
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How many forces-- how many forces in the existence
20:05
are keeping you and me in place on this chair?
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So there is no way we can exist without the involvement of all
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this.
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But talking about this intellectually
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is not going to help, because you
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try to understand intellectually,
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you're using a knife.
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Further you will divide.
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So there is another dimension of intelligence within you,
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which can make you come to an experience of this.
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The next dimension of intelligence
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is called as manas.
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Manas means a huge silo of memory.
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There are eight types of memory in this.
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I will just name them.
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I'm not going through this.
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There's eight types of memory are referred
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to as elemental memory, atomic memory, evolutionary memory,
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karmic memory, sensory memory, and in the karmic memory
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there are two types.
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One is called [INAUDIBLE].
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That is a bank of memory, which determines the very shape
21:06
and size of your body.
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There's another one which is right now in play, so two
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dimensions of karmic memory.
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Inarticulate memory, that there is
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a memory but you can never articulate
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but it's finding expression.
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When you see a chair, you know this is where
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you should sit, not there.
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You didn't think about it, because there
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is a memory in you that this is where you must sit.
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When you see a glass, you know this is how you must hold.
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This is not simple.
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Without this knowledge, you cannot build this.
21:33
There is an enormous memory which
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allows you to do almost everything automatically.
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Because an inarticulate memory is constantly in action.
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And that is articulate memory, which
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is a very minuscule part of your memory.
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The next dimension of intelligence is most important.
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This is called as chitta.
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This is an intelligence without an iota of memory
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in it, unsullied by memory.
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See, memory means a boundary.
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You guys are always dealing with information.
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Today you're in technology.
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I think memory does not mean what's here.
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Memory means-- chh-- all over the place.
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Memory is a boundary.
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What I know is always a boundary.
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What I do not know is a limitless possibility,
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isn't it?
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We have misunderstood the power of ignorance.
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[CHUCKLING]
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Our knowledge is always bound within boundaries.
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Our ignorance is boundless.
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So always in the yogic system, we
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identify with our ignorance, never with our knowledge.
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This is something we must do in a technology company.
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Because that's where the possibility is.
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That is where the new terrain is, in your ignorance,
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not in your knowledge.
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So chitta is unsullied by memory.
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It's just pure intelligence.
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Right now, if you eat an apple, it turns into a human being.
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You cannot do it with your brains.
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Even your brains were created by what you eat, isn't it?
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There is an intelligence here, which
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is capable of transforming anything to this, because it
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is making use of the memory and the manas
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and making this happen.
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But the most important dimension of your intelligence is chitta.
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In today's education systems, in today's social conditions,
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there is no effort to dip into deeper
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dimensions of our intelligence.
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We're just too enamored with our own intellect
23:29
and now using this knife to stitch everything.
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JONATHAN BERENT: Well, you should know that even at Google
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when we interview people, we have something called GCA
23:38
that we look for, which is General Cognitive Ability.
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I suppose that that would fall into that intellect dimension.
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Most of us weren't raised where we were told from an early age
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to identify with the cosmos.
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So is there any hope for us?
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Or are we lost?
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SADHGURU: See, identifying with the cosmos is just
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another thought.
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As a thought, it doesn't do much.
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It makes people a little airy brained
24:04
and they'll start acting funny.
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You become New Agey.
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You know, I love the cosmos.
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[LAUGHTER]
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It's very easy to love the cosmos
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because it's not here with you.
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[LAUGHTER]
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If you've got to love somebody next to you,
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there's lots of problems.
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[LAUGHTER]
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See, this wanting to set up boundaries,
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the instinct of wanting to set up boundaries, is so deep.
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You see a dog peeing all over the place
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not because he has some urinary problem.
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He's building a kingdom.
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[LAUGHTER]
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It's a pee kingdom, but it's a kingdom, all right?
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He's building a kingdom.
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Every human being is also doing the same thing
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because there are two dimensions of your intelligence.
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One is designed to create self-preservation.
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One aspect of your intelligence is
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designed for self-preservation, which is your intellect.
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The chitta, that dimension of the intelligence
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is designed to make you expand.
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Once you have come as a human being,
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this is your issue fundamentally.
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Whoever you are, whatever you are right now in your life,
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you want to be something more.
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If that something more happens, you want to be something more.
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If that something more happens, you want to be something more.
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I'm sure you guys want to set up Google Maps for Mars.
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Yes, if that happens for the entire universe
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if it's possible.
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Because this is the nature of being human.
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There is one dimension which always wants to expand.
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Another dimension always wants to build walls.
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You build a wall.
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You feel safe.
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After two days, you feel you understand
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the walls of self-preservation are also
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the walls of self-imprisonment.
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You want to break it, you break it,
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and you put a new wall there, and you think this is great,
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this is freedom.
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After some time, you feel that's not it,
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and you want to expand it.
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These two dimensions are not opposing each other.
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They're are not diametrically opposite to each other.
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They are complementary.
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There is only one thing about you which needs preservation.
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That's your physicality.
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This body must be preserved, because if you break it,
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you can't fix it.
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Everything else in you right now--
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suppose I take out all your thoughts, all your emotions,
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all your ideas, all your philosophies, all your belief
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systems, and trashed them right here, break them into pieces.
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You can come up with a fresh start, fresh emotions,
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fresh belief systems, fresh philosophies just like that.
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So all those must be every day put
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into the-- what you call them-- the shredder.
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You must have a pulverizer, because shredder
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means they'll go again, pick it up, and fix it.
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You must have a pulverizer for yourself before you go to bed.
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Today's ideas, today's thoughts, today's
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belief systems, today's experiences,
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you must leave the dead to the dead.
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JONATHAN BERENT: Let me challenge.
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Let me challenge that.
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Because I thought something that [INAUDIBLE] said
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was very interesting.
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And she said almost the wound becomes the healer.
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Or sometimes you hear the wounded become the healer.
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So you can take some of that, can't you not
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transform some of those things that have been difficult
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and use that energy, use your intellect
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to do something for good.
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SADHGURU: So the experience of life can cause two things.
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All this is nice when things, small things happen.
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When really major things happen to you,
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the wounds of so big for people that they
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don't heal in a lifetime, many of them, OK?
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So the choice is just this.
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The experience of life, whatever happens to us,
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you can either make it into your wound or into wisdom.
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You can either become wise or you can become wounded.
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If you become wise, you will become a solution.
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If you become wounded, you will also become one more problem.
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It's a choice we have.
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JONATHAN BERENT: So where does this wisdom come from?
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How do we access-- if we're so used
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to using one of these four, and probably
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like most people in the audience,
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I wasn't even aware that there are these other dimensions,
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what's a starting point?
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What's a way to access beyond the intellect?
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SADHGURU: See, it's like this.
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Right now there is water in this glass.
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This is definitely not you.
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Yes?
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But if you drink it, it becomes you.
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What is it that you did with this water
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that something that's not you became you?
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When you say inclusiveness, this is all you're talking about,
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something that is not you.
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You want to make it a part of you in some way, isn't it?
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So this is right now not you.
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But if you drink it, it becomes you.
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So what is it that happened technically
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for you, peace, justice?
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Right now I'm asking you-- you take your right hand,
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all of you.
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Take your right hand and touch your left hand.
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Is that you?
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Hello?
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Touch the chair on which you're sitting.
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Is that you?
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How do you know this?
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What is the basis of this?
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How do you know this is me and this is not me?
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Here there are sensations.
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Here there are no sensations.
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Or in other words, what you are saying
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is, whatever is in the boundaries of my sensation
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is me, whatever it is outside the boundaries of my sensation
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is not me, isn't it?
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Right now this is not me.
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If I drink it and include it into the boundaries
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of my sensation, this becomes me, isn't it?
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Now, the boundaries of your sensations
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are such that if you make your life energies very exuberant,
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you will see they will expand.
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If it happened, you suppose-- it should have happened
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to many of you-- there was a moment in your life
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when you felt so joyful tears came to you.
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Has it happened to you?
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You were so joyful or loving tears came to you.
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At such a moment, if you take your hand
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and just put it six to eight inches away from your body
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right here, you will feel sensations.
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If such things did not happen to you,
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I can do something horrible to you
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so that you experience something.
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[CHUCKLING] We can chop off your right leg.
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If you chop off your right leg, the leg is gone,
30:39
but still the sense of the leg may remain intact
30:43
for a period of time.
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You've heard of this phantom leg.
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Leg is physical.
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Leg is gone.
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But the sensory leg is still there.
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This means sensory body has a structure of its own.
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If your energies become very vibrant and exuberant
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within you, your sensory body expands.
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Suppose my sensory body became as big as this.
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Now you'll become a part of me and my experience.
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If it became as big as this hall,
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all these people become a part of me and my experience.
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Because my sensory body has stretched.
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We can do a small experiment.
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You OK to be a Guinea?
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Hello?
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AUDIENCE: Yes.
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SADHGURU: What we will do is-- with you eyes closed
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you have to do this, but right now observe me.
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What do you do is with your eyes closed,
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just rub this briskly like this for two minutes, let me say,
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one minute-- briskly.
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OK, keep your eyes closed, and just hold your thumbs
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three to four inches away from each other with your eyes
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closed.
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Something happening between your hands?
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Hello?
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AUDIENCE: Yes.
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SADHGURU: OK, please open your eyes.
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So just a little bit of rubbing-- you
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didn't do it for a minute, either, just 20 seconds.
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You rub it, and suddenly something happening
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between these two hands, simply because of vigorous movement
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the sensory body has expanded.
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You can feel something happening right here.
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You know why people are rubbing each other all the time?
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[LAUGHTER]
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It's an effort.
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It's an effort to include someone who is not
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a part of you as yourself.
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If this happens-- [LAUGHING] If this
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happens in a very basic, physical level,
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we call this sexuality.
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If it happens emotionally, we call this love.
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If it happens mentally, it gets labeled as greed and ambition
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and conquest.
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If it happens on the level of your sensory body,
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we call this yoga.
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Now, yoga means union.
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Union does not mean you cause the union.
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Anyway, this happening is one.
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You are allowed yourself to experience it.
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That means the walls of self-preservation
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you loosened up a little bit, that's all.
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Why you want somebody close to you,
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why you want a loud one in your life is somewhere
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you want to loosen the walls of self-preservation
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where you don't have to worry about protecting yourself.
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Suddenly you feel one with them.
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And once you feel one with them, in some way
33:49
you want to be in touch with them.
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Because you're trying to loosen up your sensory body in such
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a way that you can experience that which is not a part of you
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as a part of yourself.
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Now, this need not limit it to be one person or anything
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like that.
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This need not be biologically connected.
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If you can sit here with your life at its peak of exuberance,
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you will experience the whole universe as yourself.
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Then we say you are a yogi.
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JONATHAN BERENT: And you had that experience 34 years ago.
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You talked about it a little bit yesterday.
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I'm just curious for those of us that
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haven't had a peak experience where we've
34:31
had this sense of union, what advice, what step would you
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take if we are of the place where we think, all right,
34:40
I'm willing to try this out.
34:42
I'm a skeptic.
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I don't know what the sensory body is.
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I had a little taste of it here.
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What would be the next step if we wanted to try for ourselves?
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SADHGURU: Let's describe what is being skeptic.
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Being a skeptic means you don't believe anything unless it
35:01
truly makes sense to you.
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Most people are just downright suspicious.
35:10
But they think they're skeptics.
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They don't qualify as skeptics.
35:14
They're just suspicious about everything.
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This comes from a certain fear within you
35:18
that everything around you can be wrong.
35:20
Suspicion means you made a conclusion about something
35:23
that you do not know.
35:25
Believing something positively or believing something
35:28
negatively is not different.
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They're the same things.
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You believe something that you do not know.
35:34
Skeptic means whatever I do not know, I do not know.
35:39
I don't assume things in my life.
35:41
What I know, I know.
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I think everybody should come to this much sense
35:44
and straightness in our life, that what I know, I know,
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what I do not know, I do not know.
35:49
It's perfectly fine.
35:51
"I do not know" is a tremendous possibility.
35:55
Only if you see "I do not know," the longing
35:57
to know, seeking to know, and the possibility of knowing
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arises.
36:02
So if you are a skeptic, you are an ideal candidate.
36:05
If you're a believer, we have to debrief you.
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[LAUGHTER]
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JONATHAN BERENT: Get the shredder out.
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SADHGURU: Because you assume too many things
36:16
that you do not know.
36:17
You know the geography of heaven,
36:19
though you can't operate the local Google map.
36:21
[LAUGHTER]
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JONATHAN BERENT: OK, well, we'll be taking questions,
36:28
so be thinking about the question
36:29
you might want to have.
36:30
I think one more question I want to ask
36:33
is, how do we-- we've been talking about some things that
36:38
are very big.
36:38
I think they're promising.
36:40
But yet think about the conversation we had earlier.
36:42
And how do we tie these two things together?
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How do they relate in your mind?
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SADHGURU: Those of you who are interested,
36:48
because right now we must understand this.
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Your intellect needs data to function-- yes or no?
36:56
Hello?
36:56
AUDIENCE: Yes.
36:58
Without data, your intellect is useless.
37:01
It needs data.
37:02
That's why you guys are in the business.
37:05
Everybody knows everything in the universe
37:07
right now, not because they went there and saw it.
37:10
Because they googled it up.
37:13
Because intellect feels stupid without data.
37:18
Now, the nature of the intellect is like this only,
37:24
that it feeds upon the data.
37:26
Where does the data come to you?
37:28
What you see, what you hear, what your smell, what you
37:31
taste, what you touch.
37:33
In the video nature of things, these five sense organs,
37:37
which are the main agents of gathering information for you,
37:41
are all outward bound.
37:43
You can see what's around you.
37:45
You can't roll your eyeballs inward and scan yourself.
37:49
You can hear this.
37:51
So much activity here.
37:52
You cannot hear this.
37:54
If an ant crawls upon your hand, you can feel it.
37:57
So much blood flowing.
37:59
You cannot feel it.
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Because in the very nature of things,
38:02
your sense organs are outward bound.
38:04
You cannot use these to turn inward.
38:08
There is another dimension of perception,
38:10
which needs to be activated.
38:11
Why is it not active in me?
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Because the sense organs are instruments of survival.
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They come on when you're born.
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Whatever kind you are.
38:21
Anyway, it comes on.
38:22
It comes on for a dog, pig, cat, elephant-- for everybody.
38:25
Similarly, it comes on for us.
38:28
Whatever is needed for survival for any biological creature,
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it turns on at the time of birth because it's needed.
38:34
Otherwise you wouldn't survive.
38:36
But anything beyond survival process,
38:39
without striving it would not have ended your life, isn't it?
38:42
Anything that you know from an alphabet to whatever else
38:46
you know-- I'm sorry.
38:47
I'm not talking about your brand.
38:48
I'm talking of the real alphabet.
38:53
Anything that you know, from reading
38:55
to writing to using a computer or singing a song or whatever,
38:59
you know these things with certain striving.
39:02
I want you to remember when you were three, four years of age,
39:05
that damn A, how complicated it was, as if it were not enough,
39:11
there were two versions of it, which freaked the hell out
39:14
of you.
39:15
Today you can write with your eyes closed.
39:19
Still, there are others in the world who did not
39:22
strive in that direction.
39:23
Even today, you ask them to write,
39:25
they will struggle [INAUDIBLE].
39:28
Without striving, anything beyond survival
39:31
would not enter your life and will not enter your life.
39:34
So turning inward is not a survival process.
39:37
So there are two fundamental dimensions within you,
39:40
instinct of self-preservation, longing to expand limitlessly.
39:44
Both true for a human being.
39:46
This is essentially a human problem on the planet.
39:49
No other creator wants to expand limitlessly.
39:52
They are only thinking of survival.
39:54
Their stomach full, life settled.
39:56
For you, stomach empty, only one problem.
39:58
Stomach full, 100 problems.
40:00
[LAUGHTER]
40:02
Yes, so all your trouble begins after stomach gets full,
40:07
isn't it?
40:08
Because this is longing to expand limitlessly.
40:12
In the evolutionary process, we can say this.
40:15
But every other creature, nature has drawn two lines
40:18
within which they live and die.
40:21
They're quite final.
40:22
But once you become human, there is only a bottom line.
40:25
There is no top line.
40:27
So what humanity is suffering and confused
40:29
about is not their bondage.
40:31
They're suffering their freedom.
40:34
What do you do with that?
40:36
[CHUCKLING]
40:39
JONATHAN BERENT: Wow.
40:40
All right, well, I'm going to invite anyone--
40:42
SADHGURU: All these identities of religion, race, caste,
40:46
creed, nationality is they're trying
40:49
to set their own bondage.
40:51
Because no bondage has been given to you by nature.
40:54
You're trying to set your own bondage so
40:57
that you feel secure somehow.
41:01
JONATHAN BERENT: And so that's part of the motivation that's
41:03
driving the attacks.
41:05
SADHGURU: All these identities, being identified
41:07
with the color of your skin, with whatever nonsense
41:10
you believe in and nationality-- just a cloth, a flag.
41:15
People will stand there and tears will come to them.
41:19
Just look at that.
41:20
It really amazes me.
41:22
And on one level, it's beautiful.
41:25
On another level, it's super ugly
41:26
that you get identified with all these kind of things.
41:30
People get identified with a symbol, with a word,
41:33
with just about anything, all right?
41:36
So you are trying to create some artificial boundary
41:39
of your own.
41:40
Once you create this boundary and you have another boundary,
41:43
I have my boundary, when they meet, we clash.
41:54
JONATHAN BERENT: So if you have a question,
41:55
please go ahead and come to the mic.
41:57
And again, we're trying to think about this topic
42:01
of inclusive consciousness.
42:03
You've heard a lot of things shared from our VPs
42:05
and also from this conversation.
42:07
So let's hear what's on your mind based on all this.
42:10
Over here.
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AUDIENCE: Hello.
42:12
So I'm involved in organizing a peace conference in India.
42:19
And it's a very grassroots-led effort,
42:21
so no politicians, thank God.
42:25
And I found it interesting that you said you stopped
42:28
attending peace conferences.
42:29
So I'd love to hear from you any advice on what we should do
42:34
or what we should avoid to make this small effort
42:37
a success for the people who are attending.
42:39
SADHGURU: See, when you say, no politicians, thank God,
42:44
you're just not attending to the source of problems.
42:48
[LAUGHTER]
42:56
Politicians are not another breed of people.
43:01
A democratic society means tomorrow you
43:04
may become the president of this nation.
43:06
That's what it means, yes?
43:09
If you're willing to stick your neck out,
43:13
you may become the president of this country
43:15
or a prime minister of another country.
43:19
So a politician did not drop from the sky.
43:21
He is not some other creature.
43:23
He is just like you and me.
43:25
He stuck his neck out, which you and me are not willing to do.
43:28
Let's admit this.
43:30
It's not an easy thing.
43:32
It's easy to sit down and comment,
43:34
but it's not an easy thing to try to run a nation.
43:39
It's complex, believe me.
43:43
So you must have politicians.
43:47
But you must have am atmosphere where
43:50
it's not political in nature, where they will also
43:53
let their hair down and talk like common citizens
43:56
or human beings.
43:57
But without them, what are you going to change?
44:00
So peace conferences, if it's just an entertainment,
44:02
you can gather your friends and have a peace conference.
44:06
But if you want peace on the planet, the most important
44:09
politicians, the most powerful politicians in this world
44:12
must be there.
44:13
Only then there is a possibility of peace, isn't it?
44:17
Otherwise it's just entertainment.
44:18
I'll tell you.
44:19
I was in a very important peace conference.
44:21
There were 42 Nobel laureates, each one of them pulling out
44:29
10, 20, one of them 44, 45 pages of printed sheets without even
44:35
looking up at anybody, just went on reading their paid speeches
44:38
from morning to evening.
44:41
And slowly, the hall was becoming peaceful.
44:43
[LAUGHTER]
44:50
In one afternoon, the second day afternoon,
44:54
I'm sitting right here in the front row, and I look around.
44:58
Literally everybody has fallen asleep except the security
45:01
man who was standing there and me, the idiot, who
45:04
is sitting up there and believing
45:06
there's going to be world peace because of this conference
45:08
and sitting up there, alert, listening to every word.
45:12
Then I looked around.
45:13
Everybody's become very peaceful.
45:15
They've been having late-night parties,
45:18
and they're all very peaceful.
45:20
Then when my turn to speak came, I said, see,
45:24
I've heard so much peace [INAUDIBLE] today.
45:28
I want to ask you, can all of you or any of you
45:33
put your hand on your heart and say
45:35
you are genuinely peaceful in your life?
45:40
They were straight enough.
45:41
They said, no, we are not peaceful.
45:44
I said, if you cannot make your mind peaceful,
45:47
how the hell are you going to make the world peaceful?
45:51
What's happening in the world is just
45:53
a larger manifestation of the nonsense that's happening
45:56
in our heads, isn't it?
45:58
If you and me were truly peaceful human beings,
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do we have to worry about you and me fighting someday?
46:05
Hello?
46:06
Whatever the issues, we'll sit down and handle it, right?
46:10
Because there is violence in us, now we have to have a boundary.
46:13
Here there's a barricade just in case I get violent
46:18
or you get violent.
46:19
[LAUGHTER]
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JONATHAN BERENT: How about from this side over there.
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AUDIENCE: Hi.
46:34
Just a very basic question-- you mentioned
46:36
that before we start educational of our children,
46:39
we should try and make sure that their identity is the cosmos.
46:42
But how do you do that then we ourselves
46:44
are so hard-wired-- I mean, how do we
46:47
tell our children that their identity is more
46:50
when my own thinking is so limited, when
46:52
in my own identity is so limited?
46:54
How do I pass something like that to a child
46:57
when I am not capable of doing that myself?
47:01
SADHGURU: Anyway, whatever you tell your children,
47:03
your children don't listen to you [INAUDIBLE].
47:05
[LAUGHTER]
47:07
If you have them on the way, I'm telling you, forewarning you.
47:10
[LAUGHTER]
47:13
They don't listen to a damn thing that you say.
47:16
But they observe you.
47:19
They pick up things from the way you are behaving.
47:23
If you don't show that in your life,
47:26
your teachings will be hated after some time.
47:31
Yes.
47:32
See, this is most unfortunate.
47:35
I just see this happening to so many people.
47:39
When they have a child, these parents,
47:41
they did everything possible to the child.
47:43
They thought this is their life, not
47:46
just changing diapers, so many things, everything possible.
47:51
They taught they're living for this person.
47:53
As this person becomes bigger and in their over-concern
47:58
about how this child should be, trying
48:00
to teach him the best things in the universe, which is not
48:03
true in their lives, slowly you will see by the time
48:07
he becomes a teenager, he avoids them.
48:12
If he wants to share something, if he
48:15
wants to listen to some sense, he goes to his friends,
48:17
never to his parents.
48:19
Not everybody, I'm saying, but largely it is happening.
48:23
Because they don't make sense.
48:26
They talk things that doesn't make sense.
48:28
People keep asking me, Sadhguru, how did you become like this?
48:32
What is this [INAUDIBLE]?
48:33
Did you display your life and you are like this?
48:37
This is all I did.
48:38
I strived to remain uneducated.
48:41
It's not easy, believe me.
48:43
From the day you are born, just everybody around you
48:47
is trying to teach you something that
48:49
did not work in their life.
48:50
[LAUGHTER]
48:55
You can clearly see it's not worked in their life.
48:57
Because if it had worked, they should
48:59
have been joyful and ecstatic.
49:01
It's not worked.
49:02
They've become long-faced.
49:04
But they're teaching you all kinds of best things,
49:07
louder universe.
49:09
It's not going to work.
49:10
You don't have to say a word.
49:13
I will tell you-- is it OK if I can share something?
49:15
JONATHAN BERENT: Sure.
49:18
SADHGURU: I brought up my girl alone.
49:21
At the age of seven, she lost her mother.
49:24
So one rule I put-- she's been traveling with me since she's
49:29
4 and 1/2 years of age, OK?
49:32
I'm sorry since she is 4 and 1/2 months, not years.
49:36
4 and 1/2, I sent her to school.
49:39
But as a little infant, she traveled with me.
49:43
And I made one rule.
49:44
Where ever I went, I always stayed with many, many families
49:46
all over the country.
49:48
I always told everybody, never teach
49:50
her anything, no ABC, no 1, 2, 3, no rhyme, nor nonsense.
49:56
I don't want anybody to teach her anything.
49:58
People thought this is strange or [INAUDIBLE].
50:00
And I said, just leave her.
50:02
By the time she was 18 months, she
50:04
was speaking three languages fluently
50:06
because nobody messed with her.
50:08
[LAUGHTER]
50:10
And she grew up joyfully, went to school, everything.
50:12
At the age of 13, something she was disturbed at school,
50:16
and she came back home.
50:17
And one day she said, you're teaching everybody
50:20
so many things.
50:21
You're not telling me anything.
50:23
I said, well, I don't do anything unsolicited.
50:26
[LAUGHTER]
50:28
I've been waiting.
50:29
It's all right.
50:30
Now you come.
50:31
There's only one thing you need to know.
50:34
I said, never to look up to anybody.
50:36
She looked at me, "what about you?"
50:38
kind of thing in her face.
50:39
I said, not even me.
50:41
Never look up to anybody.
50:43
Never look down on anybody.
50:44
That's how you have to do with life.
50:47
Never look up to anything or anybody.
50:49
Never look down on anything or anybody.
50:52
Suddenly you will see life just the way it is.
50:56
Right now, something is high, something is low,
50:59
something is God, something is devil, something is virtue,
51:02
something is sin.
51:03
You divided the universe in a million different ways,
51:06
and then you're trying to fix it.
51:07
It's not going to work.
51:09
The instrument which broke the world into pieces
51:13
is your intellect.
51:14
With that, you're trying to fix everything.
51:17
It's not going to work.
51:20
Now, this racism thing, it's disastrous
51:23
that in 21st century, every day there's a shooting.
51:27
I think this has been happening all the time.
51:29
Only now because of cell phones and Facebook it's out there
51:33
and everybody knows.
51:33
I think it's been happening right through, all right?
51:37
At one time, it was happening legally.
51:39
Now it's been happening illegally.
51:42
Now, these kind of things are happening
51:45
because we're using our intellect to fix the problem.
51:50
You're using a knife to stitch.
51:52
This is not going to work.
51:55
You just live that way.
51:56
Whichever way you live, your children will grasp it,
51:59
and they'll make a sense out of that in their own way.
52:03
And maybe they'll fall this way or that way
52:05
because you are not the only influence upon them.
52:08
You better know that.
52:08
You're going to be a mother.
52:10
You must know this.
52:11
You are not the only influence.
52:14
There are all kinds of people, and there's Google.
52:16
[LAUGHTER]
52:23
AUDIENCE: Saghguru, you talked about identity and inclusive
52:27
consciousness.
52:28
So I want to know, let's say like you talked
52:30
about the sensory body and feeling
52:33
that everyone is part of you kind of thing.
52:35
So where does the role of action come in?
52:38
So if I do something, do I identify myself with it
52:42
what I did?
52:43
And let's say if I feel that you are
52:45
or everyone is part of like me or the whole cosmos,
52:48
and you do something.
52:50
Is you doing something, cosmos doing something,
52:52
me doing something?
52:53
Where does the action come in the picture?
52:57
SADHGURU: See, this is the beauty of our existence.
53:03
In this existence, in this cosmos,
53:05
we are not even a speck of dust.
53:07
That small we are.
53:09
But still, creation has given as an individuality,
53:13
an individual nature that we can experience these things.
53:17
But countless number of people who lived on this planet
53:21
before you and me came.
53:23
Where are they?
53:24
They're all topsoil.
53:25
They've become part of the Earth, isn't it?
53:28
So if you get it from me today, you
53:30
can transform your life, that really everything
53:33
is a part of you, and you are a part of everything,
53:35
not as a thought, but experientially.
53:38
If you can experience everything around you
53:41
as you experience the 5, 10 fingers of your hands,
53:44
then you will see life becomes tremendously beautiful.
53:47
Otherwise, anyway one day you will get it from the maggots.
53:52
But it will be a bit too late lesson.
53:54
But everybody will get it one day, isn't it?
53:58
Hello?
53:59
When people bury us, we are going
54:01
to get the point that we are part of the Earth.
54:03
Right now, we forget it.
54:05
We can live sensibly.
54:07
So this must come from an experience.
54:10
If you come from a thought, again you're
54:13
thinking how is inclusiveness and individuality existing
54:16
at the same time?
54:17
That is the beauty of this existence.
54:20
It is the filth which has become the flower, isn't it?
54:24
Yes or no?
54:26
It is the filth which has become the flower.
54:30
In your mind filth is different, flower is different,
54:33
but in existence filth and flower are same.
54:37
They are not different, just different ways of existing.
54:41
For you nose, filth doesn't feel good.
54:44
But if you were a pig, you would like the filth.
54:48
Nothing wrong with that.
54:50
Because it's the same thing.
54:52
It's the same thing or no?
54:54
Hello?
54:56
It's the same thing, isn't it?
54:58
It is just that in our mind and with our intellect,
55:01
we are breaking everything.
55:03
This breaking is only a psychological reality.
55:06
This is not existentially true.
55:08
See, we started a huge movement called Project GreenHands.
55:11
I think something a little bit was there in this.
55:15
This happened like this.
55:17
When I saw that entire southern India was turning into desert
55:21
very rapidly, rivers were drying up,
55:24
ground water went from like 100, 150 feet
55:27
to almost 1,500 feet and palm trees,
55:31
the crowns were falling off, we thought we must do something.
55:35
Then I did this to them.
55:37
One day I called-- I went to a small village
55:40
and called for people.
55:41
About 5,000 people turned up.
55:43
So I made them-- this is around 11 o'clock in the morning.
55:46
The weather is not like this in southern India.
55:50
It's hot, summer sun.
55:53
I made them sit there.
55:54
Close by, there were about five rain trees,
55:58
three of them really large ones.
55:59
You've see rain trees?
56:01
Some of them can be as large as an acre.
56:04
It's shade.
56:05
So three of them are really large ones.
56:08
Two of them were medium-sized ones, very attractive.
56:11
I would love to be under those trees.
56:13
But I made them sit here in hot sun.
56:16
And I went on talking, stretching the talk,
56:19
telling them stories, telling them jokes.
56:22
They were all very enthusiastic in the beginning.
56:24
Slowly-- if you're walking around, you won't feel the sun.
56:30
If you just sit under the sun, it just really gets you.
56:35
About 1 and 1/4, 1 and 1/2 hours,
56:37
they were really going away.
56:38
They're thinking, what's wrong with this Sadhguru?
56:40
He's just frying us in the sun.
56:44
Then I said, come, and I took them under the tree.
56:48
Ah!
56:50
Everybody.
56:52
Suddenly, you know what is a tree.
56:56
Otherwise you were thinking of how
56:57
to make furniture out of this.
57:01
Now suddenly you know what's a tree.
57:03
I made them sit down there and read.
57:07
It's a certain spiritual process that I set up,
57:10
a process for them where I told them, what you exhale,
57:13
trees are inhaling.
57:14
What they exhale, you are inhaling.
57:16
Once they experienced it, now you
57:19
can't stop them from planting trees.
57:20
They planted over 28 million trees.
57:23
And you can't stop them.
57:25
They changed the entire culture.
57:28
But when this happened to me about 9, 10 years ago,
57:33
I went back to my [INAUDIBLE] city, which I had not
57:36
gone and done any work there, I had never spoken there,
57:38
I avoided this because my family lives there.
57:41
I wanted to be anonymous in that town, not recognized.
57:44
But because of the Google and stuff,
57:46
I got recognized everywhere.
57:48
So when I went there, they insisted I must do something.
57:51
I called for a program.
57:53
All kinds of people turned up, my kindergarten school friends,
57:59
teachers, my college teachers, school teachers, everybody.
58:03
When I spoke and all this happened,
58:04
and my English teacher came up to me from school and she said,
58:07
now I understand why you wouldn't
58:10
let me teach Robert Frost.
58:12
I said, ma'am, why would I not let you teach Frost?
58:15
I like Frost.
58:17
I have some poetry in his own voice.
58:19
I said I like Frost.
58:20
Why would I not let you teach?
58:22
Don't you remember?
58:23
You didn't let me teach Frost.
58:25
Then I remembered.
58:26
One day she came up, and we were always
58:28
studying English poems and English literature.
58:32
Suddenly she introduced this American poet and said,
58:35
this is Robert Frost.
58:36
He's a great guy.
58:36
And she started out the poem. "Woods
58:38
are lovely, dark and deep."
58:40
I said stop.
58:41
[LAUGHTER]
58:43
I said, a man who calls a tree a wood,
58:47
I'm not going to have anything to do with this guy.
58:49
[LAUGHTER]
58:50
She said, no, no, Robert Frost is
58:52
a great-- I don't care who the hell he is.
58:54
He calls tree a wood.
58:57
I'm not going to listen to that guy.
58:58
I didn't let her teach.
59:00
We chose Longfellow instead of Frost because I didn't let her
59:04
teach Frost that year/
59:07
So I'm saying if you call a tree a wood, it's a commodity.
59:12
This water, this Earth that you walk upon,
59:15
the people that you see, these are not commodities.
59:17
This is life, isn't it?
59:20
The air that you breathe, the water that you drink,
59:22
the soil that you walk upon, the trees that you sit under,
59:25
everything else in this world is life and life-making material
59:30
for you.
59:32
If you forget this, you will treat it as commodity.
59:35
If you experience this, that this is actually
59:38
what is making your life, then you
59:40
will see the most fantastic thing about this universe.
59:44
Everything is one, but everything
59:46
is separate at the same time.
59:48
That's what gives us an experience.
59:50
That's why I can sit here and talk to you.
59:52
Otherwise, how to talk to you?
59:58
JONATHAN BERENT: Maybe one more question.
60:00
AUDIENCE: Hi, Sadhguru.
60:01
Thank you for coming.
60:03
So for me, one way to achieve inclusiveness
60:05
is to see other people as ourselves.
60:10
For example, right now I know for sure
60:12
that you exist within me, because your voice happens
60:16
within my head, your image.
60:18
SADHGURU: No, no no.
60:19
If voices are happening within your head,
60:20
it means something else.
60:22
[LAUGHTER]
60:26
AUDIENCE: So your image happens within me,
60:29
because it reflects through my eyes and--
60:31
SADHGURU: You mean to say you have nightmares every day?
60:33
[LAUGHTER]
60:36
AUDIENCE: Well, so my point is, I see you within me.
60:42
That I know for sure.
60:44
But I wonder whether you see me within you as well.
60:49
And if you answer yes or no, then that
60:52
may be a belief, because how do I know it's true?
60:57
SADHGURU: See, there are two levels of reality here.
61:00
There is a psychological reality,
61:03
and there's an existential reality.
61:06
Existential reality is not your making.
61:09
Psychological reality is entirely your making.
61:12
But a large part of it is unconsciously made,
61:15
so you believe it is real.
61:18
Whatever is true in your psychological reality
61:22
may have some social relevance but has
61:25
no existential relevance.
61:27
Right now, if I say you are within me, you will feel good.
61:31
If I say I love you, you'll feel good.
61:33
Maybe it's true for me.
61:34
Maybe it's true for you.
61:35
But it's not floating around anywhere here, OK?
61:39
It's just my emotion and your emotion.
61:41
Yes, it is nice that our emotions are sweet,
61:45
our thoughts are sweet, our actions are sweet.
61:47
It's wonderful if it is so.
61:49
But it has only psychological and social relevance.
61:54
It has no existential relevance.
61:57
If you want to know life, you have
61:59
to step out of this bubble called psychological reality
62:04
and step into existential reality.
62:07
Then only you have a taste of life.
62:09
Otherwise, you are just a bundle of thoughts, emotions, ideas,
62:14
opinions, and now I'm there in there in all that. [CHUCKLING]
62:20
So what I would tell all of you is instead
62:25
of thinking about it, instead of analyzing it,
62:29
an experiential dimension has to happen.
62:32
If you're willing to dedicate 28 to 30 hours of focused time,
62:38
we will give you tools with which you can
62:40
make this happen for yourself.
62:42
This is not some empty talk.
62:45
This has happened to millions of people.
62:49
This has worked.
62:51
And I must tell you, first 21 years of my work,
62:54
as a rule I never appeared in the media.
62:57
Of course, I didn't have a website.
62:59
I never put up one poster or banner or even a brochure.
63:03
Only by word of mouth millions of people came.
63:06
Obviously it must have worked for them
63:08
to bring their family and friends.
63:10
And now I'm not promising any miracle.
63:13
I'm not taking you to heaven.
63:15
I'm telling you the source of all your problems is you,
63:18
not somebody else.
63:20
I'm saying it's hard talk.
63:22
It is not some miraculous promise of going to heaven,
63:26
some La-La land is there and everything
63:27
will be fine for you.
63:29
No.
63:29
In spite of that, people came, because they
63:33
saw the transformation within themselves.
63:36
And people around them had to come.
63:38
There was no other way.
63:39
So I'm saying this is the technology of well-being.
63:43
We are handling our external well-being in a scientific way
63:48
through many means of technology.
63:50
Why is it that we are so crippled when
63:53
it comes to our interiority?
63:55
We are trying to handle it through our emotions.
63:57
We are trying to handle it through our philosophies.
64:00
We are trying to handle it through our ideologies
64:02
and belief systems.
64:04
No, it's time you approach this human mechanism
64:08
in a scientific manner, how to make this
64:11
into a full-fledged possibility.
64:15
See, every life in this world is only
64:18
trying to become a full-fledged life,
64:20
whether it's a worm or an insect or a bird
64:22
or an animal or a tree.
64:24
All they're striving for is to become full-fledged.
64:28
But we know what is a full-fledged worm.
64:30
We know what is a full-fledged insect.
64:32
We know what is full-fledged everything.
64:34
But we do not know what is a full-fledged human being.
64:37
Because even if I make you the king or queen of this planet
64:40
tomorrow, still you will ask [INAUDIBLE] for the stars.
64:44
Because there is something within you
64:46
which is longing to become in finite.
64:49
If you are longing for the infinite,
64:51
you can't go about conquering space.
64:53
It's not going to get you there.
64:55
The finiteness to you has come to you only because
64:58
of your identification with your physicality.
65:01
Because the nature of physicality
65:03
is a defined boundary.
65:05
Without a defined boundary, there is no physical nature.
65:09
But is it true that this physical body
65:12
you slowly accumulated?
65:14
Is it true?
65:15
Or were you born like this?
65:17
You accumulated this.
65:18
What you accumulate can be yours.
65:21
It can never, ever be you.
65:23
Or in other words, you are living your life
65:26
without experiencing the life that you are even for a moment.
65:30
Your entire involvement is with your physiology and psychology.
65:34
It's time it changes, that you experience
65:37
the life that you are.
65:39
This life that you are doesn't come with boundaries.
65:42
It's only the body.
65:44
It is boundaries, and you must stick to the boundaries.
65:48
It's very important.
65:48
Don't expand it too much.
65:51
Thank you very much.
65:52
JONATHAN BERENT: Thank you so much, Sadhguru.
65:54
[APPLAUSE]
65:55
Thank you.
65:57
Thank you all.

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