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Sadhguru - IIM Ahmedabad


Sadhguru at IIM Ahmedabad

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Today we have with us a man who needs no introduction as I would invite the crowd
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I will dive right into the questions shall I say something but shortly well
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the question is definitely there in a lot of people's mind why a moment like
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this how this came about in the last 36 years that I have been active with
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people there's one constant refrain from people thousands of people have asked me
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the same question that is that grew when I was 20 where the hell were you you
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came when I'm 60 if you came when I was 20 I would have done this that and
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something else I've been hearing this from so many people continuously so we
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thought we will step out and talk to people who are below 25 years of age and
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that's why you turn truth and the fundamental of this is see what we call
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his life this life you may have so many ideas about it so many emotions and
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thoughts about it but essentially this life is a certain combination of time
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and energy we have a certain amount of time and a certain amount of energy time
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is rolling away for all of us if you sit here it rolls if you do something it
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rolls if you sleep it rolls if you're awake it rolls whether in wakefulness or
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sleep in work or laziness with your way in dynamism or lethargy time is rolling
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for everybody in Tamil there's the term that is used for death is kala mai
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tongue it means his time got over such an appropriate description after all
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that's all that happened time got over so time is getting over for all of us as
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we sit here it's not the clock which is ticking it is our life
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which is ticking away you cannot control it you can't slow it down you can't roll
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it back no choice about this it rolls forward for all of us no matter what we
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do what we don't do but energy is something we can manage when we talk
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about energy this segment of life that we refer to as youth when you are in
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this segment of life your energy as is at its highest exuberance most youth do
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not understand this they think they are going to be like this for always you
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just have to pay attention to the old people they were not born like this they
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were also used slowly
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you know volume gets little down not me
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otherwise slowly the intensity of energy volume gets lower and lower if you just
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observe how they sit and stand and walk you must know you're going to get there
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very fast actually so when your energies are at their peak if only if you brought
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little more clarity and balance into your system well this energy could work
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for you in a miraculous way this exuberant energy can do wonders in human
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life or it can cause disasters in human life
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the same enthusiasm and energy has taken people's lives
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I am saying this because I grew up in 60s and 70s by the time they were 35 at
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least 12 for sure other - I think they also went by that way 12 to 14 people
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that I knew and who were dear to me they all died before their 35 years of age
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simply somebody overdose somebody drank themselves to death somebody killed
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themselves on the motorcycles somebody fell off the rocks all kinds of things
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it is the same exuberant energy which got them into these things the same
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example and if it had a little more balance and
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clarity they could have done wonders but unfortunately this happened it's not
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only in terms of death it happens in so many different ways
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disaster is not always in the form of death life didn't take off that itself
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is a disaster so when you look at this see every human
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being every individual has an innate genius within them the question is only
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will they find an appropriate ambience within themselves and around themselves
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to unfold their genius this unfortunately in this world does not
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even happen to 1% of the population this is my estimate in your institution if it
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is more you must tell me but generally in the larger population not even 1% of
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humanity manages to unfold their genius simply because concerns of earning a
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living survival some nonsense takes them up they fall in love
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something happens either outside situations don't cooperate or inside
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situations don't cooperate so what I am looking at is if only if we can increase
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this percentage let's say in this generation from 1% to 10% we will have a
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phenomenal world because you cannot create a great world or a great nation
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or a great society you can only create great human beings if you create great
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human beings great societies and nations and world will happen it's a consequence
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we cannot create the consequence but the source of this is human genius must
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unfold only then you will find human beings functioning at a level well
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beyond what we normally consider as normal it should become normal it's it's
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normal for a flowering plant to blossom similarly it must be normal for a human
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being to unfold and blossom their genius because it's in it it is only looking
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for an atmosphere where it is possible to do that can we create that in the
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society maybe it's a long way off but can we at least create it within
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ourselves that if you're willing is possible
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in this generation that's why I'm here with you let's see what we can do that
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in essence answers the first question which we had planned for you so but what
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we have tried to do is we have tried to so be a representative of the student
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community and we have taken their questions and actually tried to divide
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them in themes and several themes have cropped up and we received theme wise
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during this conversation the first theme that cropped up was about ethics and
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morality and even though this wasn't the exact formulation of the problem there
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were versions of this and the version was that if Sadhguru could go back into
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the past not because of yogic past but if there
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was a time machine and with foresight a bit knowledge about what happened during
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the world war ii would Sadhguru kill baby Hitler is the first question that
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co-op problem would I kill the baby Hitler knowing that six million Jews
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could be saved say yeah Adolf Hitler is a consequence is not the cause of World
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War two in the sense there has been centuries of hatred about the Jewish
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people it's not it did not suddenly crop up because of Arab Hitler well he used
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it politically to do all kinds of things that's a different matter but this
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hatred has been endemic in the population not for one or two years for
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literally eighteen centuries it's been alive now adult Hitler became a
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representative of that hatred and he consolidated that hatred organized it in
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such a way that it became a mega disaster but the disaster has been
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unfolding for a long time forever people have been accusing Jews of being a Jesus
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killer and wanting to get them in so many ways they've been persecuted not in
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one way every generation has small-scale persecutions happening in various
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societies across the that part of the world at least not here
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so when adult Hitler came he saw what you are accusing of adult Hitler his
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competence everybody had the same hatred he organized his hatred into a very
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competent results-oriented thing any number of human beings have come who are
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as much tyrannical as a dull fiddler fortunately they were not as competent I
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don't know if he studied in I am because his organizing skills are extraordinary
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you have to look at that if only if he had organized this not against a
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particular community but for the well-being of the world
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what a fantastic organizer he is so his competence is what we'll be talking
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about hatred was there in the society he organized it and made it into an end
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result of a disastrous kind see in every generation there are tyrants fortunately
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they are important fortunately they are everywhere don't think they are not
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there every day I am meeting thousands of people you should see what kind of
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mindsets people have how much endemic hatred they have for somebody that they
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do not even know including me people who have never met me people who have not
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had a word with me they have so much hatred so what's the problem you not
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even seen me at but no so this endemic hatred is bred in the society in the
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form of religion in our society in the form of caste creed ideologies see
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everybody is focused in adult Hitler I am NOT trying to belittle what he did he
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is one man so many people caused pain to each other but he is one man who
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organized human pain like nobody else he made a machine out of it in in a real
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organized way like an industry he did not do killing
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just for killing sake he made a killing industry you know proper industry
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actually they set up factories of death so never before nobody organized it but
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don't ever think nobody had those intentions
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nobody had those same emotions they had but this man organized so would you kill
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the baby Hitler no it wouldn't help because another guy maybe with
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competence would have come up you never know so what we need to work at is we
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need to work at as I was telling you a culture of peace this is important we
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never worked at culture of peace only when he explodes in our face we want it
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solved otherwise we're just going about our business the way we are driving on
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the street is violent alright he's not fast
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it's just violent I wish they were driving fast if they were skilled they
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would be driving fast they are unskilled and their violent drivers violence means
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you you don't mind if somebody gets hurt isn't it hello violence need not
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necessarily mean I'm going to throw a projectile at you I don't care if we go
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get hurt this is violence isn't it so this is all
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over the place we need to see culture is not something that you can build
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overnight slogans you can build overnight you can do anti demonstrations
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overnight you cannot build a culture overnight it takes a lifetime of
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dedication to bring that about nobody has shown that dedication
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everybody wants immediate solution when something explodes everybody will scream
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once it's over they go about their business so it is very important I want
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you to understand adult Hitler's can be born just about anywhere just about
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anywhere because the culture of disliking and hating other people who
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are not like you is so rooted in the society it's just a question of he must
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do an MBA here I'm giving compliments to the institution it's not
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completely edit but the main issue over here so is that you tackle the root
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causes rather than manifestations of the yes exactly so consequences cannot be
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dealt with it is the process we need to address so the youth of today have a bit
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of confusion about the whole spirituality we believe that the basic
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tenants of humanity like justice equality fraternity should be enough to
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be a better human being and if you are a better human being and if you are happy
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by yourself does there is there really room for spirituality please repeat
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those three values justice equality and fraternity justice equality and
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fraternity I want you to understand this these are wonderful thoughts but with
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horrible results on this planet because people who talked about this
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well Marx spoke about it angle spoke about it Joseph Stalin spoke
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about it but Joseph Stalin killed three times more than adequately am I correct
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on the number or your disputing up not disputing the number will come to that I
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am saying you can carry any number of values but you will see people will
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learn to subvert their own values in so many ways depending upon how much
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pressure is put upon them so instead of morality instead of this kind of moral
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structures it is better that we fall back on our humanity which is more
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reliable and always there if we want to fall back in humanity if you'll give me
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a couple of minutes ok so what is it that is setting as a part why is it I
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must think that there must be fraternity because first of all I think you and me
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are separate now I am trying to build Brotherhood isn't it so first of all I
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think the way you are is whatever now I am trying to include you but for
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how did you come to this you have come to this simply with little bit of
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accumulated information in your mind the data that you carry which is your
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thought process your entire thought process is coming from limited data now
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this data is the feed for your intellect because you understand somewhere maybe
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not articulated in your own mind but you fundamentally understand the nature of
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your intellect is it will always make you under separate because that is the
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nature of the intellect only because the intellect is functioning you have a
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discriminatory mind that you can discriminate that is him this is me
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otherwise you won't be able to discriminate the other dimensions of
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intelligence which is in human being are all unifying in nature instead of going
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into those dimensions of intelligence and functioning you are using your
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intellect if I ask you a simple question would you like your intellect to be
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sharp or blunt you must choose I'm going to bless you right now you want it sharp
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because intellect is a cutting instrument so you use a knife to put
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people together you will leave it in tatters believe me you use a knife to
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cut things that's fine to handle material aspects of life you use a knife
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because you want distinction when you handle people if you use a knife maybe
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with the best intention you will still cause enormous damage
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this is the unfortunate manifestation of the principle of communism there is no
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more compassionate expression of humanity than communism do you
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understand you can you can tell there is actually in philosophy there is no more
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compassionate expression because everybody according to their need not
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according to their greed is a fantastic idea but wherever they try to implement
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it what happened was enormous violence simply because it's an intellectual idea
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and the intellect can only cut if you try to sue with a knife everything
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becomes status this has happened repeat again and again but there's another
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dimension of intelligence within you I will skip in yoga we look at human
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intelligence as sixteen parts I will not go into it the last part of intelligence
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is referred to as Chitra what this means is an intelligence without an iota of
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memory in it why is this important east see you are who you are and I am Who I
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am only because of the memory that you contain within you isn't it you are
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separate I am separate how that is one silo of memory this is another silo of
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memory when I say memory it's not just what you remember and don't remember
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there is evolutionary memory there is genetic memory there is karmic memory
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this varieties of memory the very way you sit and stand is because of your
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memory yes the very way the shape of your nose is the tone of your skin
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everything is memory so what you call as myself is a product of a huge amount of
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memory memory allows you to do many things in the world but at the same time
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memory is also my boundary this is my friend this is somebody I do not know
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how because I remember this one I don't remember this one it's memory which
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decides who is mine and who is not mine what is mine and what is not mine so
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there is an intelligence within you which is beyond memory if only if you
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dip into that dimension of intelligence in your experience all boundaries have
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disappeared in the sense if you sit here right now in this hall and even for one
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moment even for one single moment if you experienced all these people just as the
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way we experienced the ten fingers of your hand as a part of yourself after
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that do I have to tell you morality fraternity equality this that when you
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see somebody as a part of yourself when you have known somebody as a part of
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yourself there is no need for any principle or any morality this is what
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spiritual process means spiritual process means you begin to experience
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something beyond your physical nature why this is important is physical nature
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can only happen in defined boundaries without a defined boundary there is no
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physical process isn't it this is my body
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that is your body how come because this is a boundary now this is my mind and
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that's your mind because there is a boundary but there is a dimension of
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intelligence which has no memory if you enter that dimension you will see that
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there is no memory because there is no memory but still your alert and alive
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because of that there is no boundaries this can be explained in so many ways
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see if you do something very intense if you do like this and just hold it like
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this you can check the experiment just for 20 seconds vigorously rub your hands
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together with your eyes closed hold it about 3 inches away from each other
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there's something happening between your two hands or you didn't try that you
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don't believe in experimentation oh that's fine did you did you see
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something between your hands there is a certain energy why I am saying this is
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right now your definition of this is me and that is you has come like this it is
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see how do you know can we do another experiment ok your right hand it's that
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your left hand is that you yes yes touch the chair on which you're sitting is
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that you how do you know this what tells you this is me and this is not me no no
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no there is sensation here there no sensation here isn't it essentially it
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is the boundaries of sensation which tells you what is mean what is not me
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what spiritual process means is you get your life energies into such an
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exuberance that your sensory body expands if your sensitive body expands
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everything with within the boundaries of your sensation you experience it as
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myself right now this water and this tumbler is definitely not you but if you
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drink it it becomes you isn't it this many kilograms how did it come something
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that was outside now is within the boundaries of your sensation now if all
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these people or within the boundaries of your sensation even for a moment if you
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actually experience as a part of myself after that do you
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need morality I guess the main part was that the question I think got lost in
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translation because in essence you guys were both talking about the same things
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I thought you were speaking he was picking an English wasn't true but
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translation is not always just language it's also intent okay he also implied
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that if people start looking at other people not as other people but as humans
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but how will you do it according to me the knowledge that we are all humans is
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essential to us see it between human beings that this problem happens we all
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know we're humans if you were a tiger I wouldn't fight with you
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in essen again in essence we are seeing literally the same thing which is coming
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from different fronts we are all humans the fact that certain people have not
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acknowledged that we are humans now is the cause of this problem I don't think
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they have not acknowledged they have acknowledged and repaid different kinds
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of humans not really within a family there's a lot of fight going on
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brotherhood fraternity equality but more more clashes are happening within the
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four walls of a home in a family then between India and Pakistan believe me
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and no you your little frustrated you can ask me more questions
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huh I'm generally not frustrated by this it's just that the example which you
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have just given that there are more clashes which happen is it happening or
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not then outside is in essence first of all it is not essentially fact-based
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because it doesn't take into a it's as one an assumption of how many clashes
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occur between India and Pakistan the second is it assumes that clashes which
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are occurring within the family are of the same magnitude the magnitude is
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different because we are not armed within the family and we have no intent
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to kill alright we have no intent to kill
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but clashes are happening isn't it emotions are happening of they're
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happening or if you believe of everyone as your extension of your spiritual
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being what clashes also not say spirituality
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is not a belief that is where you're wrong
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so you think spirituality is one more belief like your values your values are
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made up by you spiritual process is not made up by if you sit here and breathe
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what we exhale the trees are inhaling what the trees are exhaling or inhaling
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is it the fact or is it my idea it's a fact
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now this fact is only intellectual but experientially if you sit here and
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actually experience one half of my lungs is actually hanging out there which is
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the fact if you experience this after that do I have to tell you don't cut the
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tree say there is there is human thought this this whole thing comes from the
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fundamental that we have made human thought far more important than the
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reality of the existence human thought is very small because it is just a
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consequence of little data that you have in your head isn't it all the thought
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that you have he is coming from the data that you have gathered whatever data I
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have gathered whatever you have gathered whatever all of them put together have
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gathered is still a miniscule in this existence is it so hello you may be a
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PhD but I'm asking you is it a mini school so with such a small
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piece of information you are coming to conclusions which is not right
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that is why spiritual process means you don't attach any importance to your own
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thought and emotion you see how to dip into those dimensions of humanity which
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is not defined by boundaries of your physical nature this is what spiritual
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process means spiritual process is not a belief system it is not an ideology it
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is not a philosophy when your experience of life is little more than your
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physical nature then you use this corrupted word spirituality while
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answering the last question you talked about memory right so my question is if
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all we are doing so so what's your view should we have an all income and
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compassing memory or should it be a memory less being you know because if we
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are a memory less being then there's no concept of future and past there's no
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relation between actions and consequences talk about experience that
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doesn't exist now how does this idea come memoryless being you talked about
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Sita that has I said memory less intelligence and intelligence which is
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beyond memory I did not talk about a memory less being because if there is no
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memory there is no individuality of any kind
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isn't it so that's what the point is to be an individual memory is important but
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because we have memory issues not memories important memory is the basis
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of your individual nature it is individualism important like being the
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individualism means your trying trying to make a religion out of yourself
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there is no individualism it is a privilege though we are part of
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everything here if we don't understand this we'll get the point when people
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bury us that we are a part of everything right now we stand up see your existence
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here is like a pop up on your computer computer
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screen you pop up for two minutes and you go okay in the life of this planet
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you were just a small pop up you'll go poop and poop that's it you and me right
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now when we are here we think we are this but all this countless number of
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people who came before us you think they were idiots
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they were also like you and me big people but all topsoil now isn't it so
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anyway we have no individuality individuality is an assumed thing this
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is a great privilege creation is given as though we are part of everything we
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are allowed to experience life as an individual how fantastic it is we are
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greatly greatly you know grateful to this process because it allows a little
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bit of individuality for this fewer years that we here these years in the
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life of this planet is really nothing two seconds they calculate something
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after the billion years whatever it's been here
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so if two-second pop-up assumes individualism what is that it's a
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privilege that we have some sense of individual experience otherwise we would
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have no experience if there was no memory ok so if you dip into cheetah
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does my individuality completely vanish no when you dip into it it gives you an
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experience beyond the boundaries of your individuality because of the sea you are
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in this country or an Indian but can you travel out if you travel out you are not
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an Indian anymore still am you still not just the same way I am still the same
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person but I am no more limited by the boundaries of my physiology and my
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psychological structure anymore this gives me a larger sense of experience
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we want to the mythology so we know that Eliot was written by Homer right a blind
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guy he wrote that there are 14 thousand horses but since we know that he could
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not have seen it for himself we believe that there is some sort of historical
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you know storytelling going on there would you say but but nowadays all the
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scriptures religious scriptures are taken as gospel
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so should we also believe that there is myth making in in the Ramayana in
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Mahabharata and that taking them as gospel rather than just work of
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literature is wrong I I don't see anybody taking Ramayana and Mahabharata
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is a gospel they cannot because they'll get freaked out with confusion because
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there are all kinds of people in Mahabharat the best sort of men the
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worst sort of men in between every kind of man and woman is their hundred
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thousand characters how can you make a gospel out of it
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so you said storytelling I I don't know if you've seen the byline of youth in
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truth not the seriousness of gospel but the playfulness of gossip because gossip
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has always been reliable know at any time in history nobody went by the
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official version whatever the official version came people asked around with
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their friends and relatives what happened when five people said five
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different things people learnt out of their wisdom to extract some truth out
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of the gossip but people always relied more on the gossip than the official
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version isn't it so it's not just today always however given that this gossip
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can lead to a transformation of this truth to an extent where it's lost
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forever do you think that's troubling see first of all you're questioning did
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it actually happen right so we are saying that the same argument which you
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have given is the argument which is usually used these days to say that
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buildings which were constructed by the Mughals were actually not mobile
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I hope okay however that's was it being misinterpreted completely now say if you
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come further south people are questioning whether Rama existed or not
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okay this is a just a question of poor memory when the entire nation has been
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talking about it for thousands of years now the problem is your trust in printed
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word is more than the spoken word that is the whole problem but you must
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understand this is a rural culture we always transmitted most significant
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things orally you may you may think it's insignificant because it's not written
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but anybody can write it down people have written it down now now it's a
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printed word but now somebody questions did Rama exist or not not in one place
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in entire culture when everybody is talking about the same story with minor
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variations here and there it could not have been just made up by all the people
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since I guess I guess his point was also by bringing in the Iliad example the
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same that the war on Troy did happen but the fact that Homer says that fourteen
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thousand horses were there is clearly not truth maybe not maybe ROM did exist
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but other facts which are hardly aware after all Indians we we invented zero we
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have certain freedom in using number of zeros we're taking liberty with that
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don't say see whether whether six seven thousand years ago whether hundred
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thousand men fought or ten thousand men fought doesn't make a difference the way
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the story is said in this country is not for its facts but for its truth you're
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trying to bring out a certain truth the fact of it whether a hundred thousand
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men for ten thousand men what what does it matter you don't have to manage that
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war today each over so the important thing is what is there
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for me to learn from that all right if if that's a question mark we can go
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ahead with that I guess that was his point itself that when you look at
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religious texts as you would learn they don't call them religious texts
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this is nation's history so let's say if you look at another piece of literature
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you would derive learnings from it literature is different histories
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different literature literature can be friction history is written in a
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dialectical way so that it's always relevant for you I am saying 6,000 years
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ago whether a man existed or not what's my problem unless he has something to
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contribute to my life today isn't it however if history has been written and
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the facts of the history are not clear see this is what I am saying the fact is
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like this suppose 6,000 years ago Rama had a wife whose name was not Sita
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what's my problem you're not questioning whether the name was not only the name I
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am saying okay he was not his father's name was not that it was something else
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he was somebody else what does it matter very even question the sequence of
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events over here you can see sequence of events also you can question but what I
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am asking is a 6,000 year old drama if it got a little mixed up it is not your
35:49
problem the problem is just this is there something for us to get from that
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that's all the thing is now why we are worshipping Rama in this country is he's
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not a super success he is a serial disaster if you look at it yes even
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today is having real estate issues that's why you brought this up
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but it is not today alone it's not today alone right from the beginning of his
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life he's in trouble and trouble and trouble and trouble he's rightfully a
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king he is coronated at the age of 17 or 18 he may marry a princess and within a
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1 or 2 years he's sent to the forest they didn't go to the jungle for picnic
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as some of the television serials are showing Rama Sita doing all that no it
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is a it is a like you know throwing him out of the kingdom from his power and
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everything that itself would have shattered a man but he settled down
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there but Rama is also an insecure person who when when Sita came back to
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him first she sucked river he will come there don't jump first let's kidnap her
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no now you are changing then now you are changing the sequence of things first
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let's kidnap her all right now this Sri Lankan people come and kidnap his wife
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and go away after all after all he is a king if somebody steals his wife and
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takes her away some 3,000 kilometers down south there's no GPS to even find
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out where is Sri Lanka all right at a time like that being a king you could
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have found a local solution there would be any number of women to marry the man
37:54
he's a king but he goes in search of her not with a big army just him and his
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brother like ordinary people if a man has to walk 3,000 kilometres down south
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not knowing where she's whether she's alive or dead or what's happened then
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she must mean so much to him yes or no otherwise why what a man walks up that
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distance now he goes there he forms a Tamil army don't forget this and then
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there is a fight kills hundreds of people burns down a beautiful city gets
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back his wife comes and settles down before this I will tell you he goes for
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a year of penance in Himalayas his brother asks are you crazy
38:39
this man stole your wife and now you're doing penance for his death he said he
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had ten basic qualities Ramana killing those nine which were horrendous
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qualities I know penance for me no repentance for that but he was also a
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great devotee and I killed that also so one year of penance the man goes for
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this is not a victim and then he settles down and his wife is
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pregnant you must understand for a king his wife is pregnant means it's not just
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about a child it's a progeny for his empire and the
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many things involved no sonogram so he doesn't know whether it's a girl or a
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boy or boys or girls or anything but once again a political situation evolves
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where he has to send his wife to the forest which you are saying is in
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security so we can even begin from the first point in which after he rescue
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Sita Sita has to sit through a fire to prove that she is pure for whom so that
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other people will accept because Rama cared about how people saw Rama when he
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came back a random movie in your kingdom said that Sita I am NOT like Rama who
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will keep a woman in my house who might have a child which is not mine
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for this Rama sends a vicita again to the forest that that is the insecurity
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you talk any point Rama wanted his people to love him no no let's come to
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this properly today in our country there are many kinds of things I'm asking you
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do you want a leader for this nation who puts the people of this nation about his
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own family and his personal love I'm asking you or do you want a great
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rashtra at any cost to my son you want a man who puts the citizens of this
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country above his family this is not a jest another woman for him he went and
40:43
fought a battle for her walk 3,000 kilometers this is not just another
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woman he is living for her but still he sends her back to the jungle when she is
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pregnant knowing fully well that it could be his
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future for this kingdom and he is putting seeds is not just about adobe
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this is what your mistake you're taking these things literally when adobe said
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what it is being said these ordinary people are talking like this ordinary
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people have no trust in the king that he he's just brought some woman from
41:14
somewhere and she's made of our Queen because queen is seen as a mother to the
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we don't want such a woman as our mother that's what they're saying she went and
41:23
lived with some men somewhere this is what the people of those times are
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saying so if the King says I don't care what you think I allow my wife and keep
41:32
her that would be not a good thing not a good administrator so he's putting his
41:38
people about somebody that he loves very very dearly and she's pregnant it's not
41:45
a small thing for him it means a world but still he sends her to the jungle
41:50
this should be bowed down to this is why we bow down to the man no they say no no
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no no why he has something to say please so there are different types of
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responsibilities of you as a person as a king there are different
42:08
responsibilities and as a human as a family member you have different
42:12
responsibilities now you can't just throw away your wife and send her to a
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jungle it's it's like just objectifying her it's not treating her like another
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human who's pregnant who need different things that have promised her different
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things well then you are against Gautam Buddha you are against Rama everybody
42:32
but you need to understand this in the right context that is if this woman
42:37
didn't mean anything to her he wouldn't have traveled down to Sri Lanka what a
42:41
battle and brought her back isn't he is pride you know God he could have got a
42:51
hundred wives around him if he wished but he went for this person who means so
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much to him moving on no no you must see the words that he uttered
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you must see the words he uttered about Sita what she means to him how he cried
43:06
to Lakshmana and what he said actions are we more important why are
43:10
you reading all these evil intentions in his mind that he did not express
43:15
anywhere he did not express without words we can say anything as far as you
43:20
are concerned you know only what you've read you don't know anything else about
43:24
his life neither me nor you all right so from what you read nowhere does it say
43:30
that he was insecure no where does it say he went for his
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pride no no no everywhere it says very clearly let me tell you the reason why
43:40
he is worshipped today though life through disasters have two disasters at
43:45
him the man never became resentful never became hateful never became angry he did
43:52
not become a recluse either he went about fulfilling every duty that he has
43:56
to do with a personal pain and grief that he is carrying all his life the man
44:01
went about doing the best he can do for his brother of the day if this is being
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accused of being as Pride and this there were strong reactions to that question
44:14
but I believe I think that's a nice segue to the next one which is one why
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do you say it's a reaction at least you had once said that people should not
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react to injustice but this country has been based on civil disobedience
44:31
movement did I say they should not react to injustice there was a court of you
44:38
like what said that people should not why don't you just read the court and so
44:43
forth paraphrasing like this maybe you read a quote was I should not react to
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India justice yes yes but I did not say you should not respond sensibly we we
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want to know why what context because the context is I am differentiating
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between human response and human reaction if I react
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I will only cause one more injustice right now what I think is injustice I
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will feel angry and I will do one more injustice but if
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I see this injustice is happening and respond to the best of my intelligence
45:22
and my capability there could be a solution defined reaction
45:27
yes reaction and response have clearly defined all along is it not important
45:33
that you respond consciously rather than rely reacting violently we completely
45:37
agree with this right I'm glad you serious face is gone you're laughing now
45:52
we can come so this was you good at somewhere that religions have nothing to
46:00
do with the lynchings that have been going on around but if we see the facts
46:06
of members of a particular minority community are being targeted by the
46:13
perpetrators who identified themselves with another religious community and if
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these are the facts then how can you say that religions are not connected to the
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lynchings say probably you're just going by the television reports just go a
46:29
little further into that so read your book as well book I'm talking about
46:35
lynchings yeah so in your book you have mentioned that you went to a village and
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all these men was your friend and you mentioned that no I will tell you the
46:45
incident properly you don't water this down I will tell you that incident
46:50
properly will you give me in two minutes all right
46:56
see I was living in a remote part of Karnataka Karnataka is generally docile
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peaceful place it's not a very activist kind or violent kind there's no
47:08
religious frictions happening it's very docile people one day I just write down
47:16
into the village and the big crowd and what is it I just park and go and see
47:22
the beating one person like you can't imagine with all kinds of things
47:27
whatever they get I try to stop they just brush me aside
47:31
and said you don't get into this as I saw within two three minutes the man
47:36
died don't know who he is those days in the villages nobody wore trousers
47:42
normally they wear either short sword OTS and things like that
47:45
this guy had trousers and some kind of dirty looking shirt and somebody thought
47:52
he's a child lift up right there they killed him on the dug a hole right
47:57
outside the village where everybody can see and the buried him right there
48:01
because nobody has any fear that this is going to be a murder this is going to be
48:06
pursued there is no such thing they they think it's their right to do that I was
48:12
a poor till then I had never faced a situation like that in my life I was
48:16
just 22 23 so I wrote down to the police station which was just about eight eight
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or nine kilometres from there this policeman thought the sub-inspector was
48:27
my senior in college so I knew him so I went to him and I just saw this you have
48:31
to come and do something he said you do not get into these things I said what
48:35
they kill the man I can show you where he is buried this body is right there
48:40
nothing I try to talk to the local MLA he said please you don't get into this
48:48
when I really looked at it then it happened after three four days late
48:53
night around 1:30 I am coming from Mysore city to my farm on a remote road
48:58
is a very remote place you know it's in the hills I ride him young people are
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standing there with fires burning with sticks and rods and everything oh this
49:08
out the motorcycle comes means if you don't identify yourself you would be
49:13
killed too right there without a question because the rumor is gone
49:17
around somebody is doing child lifting there's a local dam coming up they're
49:21
sacrificing many children nobody knows where the hell is the dam
49:25
nobody knows if anybody ever lost a child in the region but just this rumor
49:31
goes around then when I really look at it I saw another one like this which
49:35
happened for some stealing that happened another one where he was beaten but he
49:41
did not die when you really look at it every year in
49:45
this country over 40,000 children go missing so there is a paranoia in the
49:50
villages especially girl girl children who go missing they just never found
49:56
found never ever found so tomorrow if my child disappears what do I do
50:01
hold on a fire and sit there and praise it so first thing is to react in such a
50:08
way if my child is stolen is it an injustice to me hello and never to find
50:15
the child again not knowing what happened with that alive or dead if they
50:19
die in front of you it's okay but they just disappear and you don't know
50:22
whether alive or dead you know what the parents go through so there is a
50:26
paranoia about this the same thing happens if somebody steals any animal or
50:30
if the cut a tree in there this is what happens when you use gossip as your
50:35
source of information you are just misinterpreting the whole thing please I
50:40
have to say this where is gossip as you you think the whole script the all the
50:45
literature or whatever the history that we are talking about is all gossip no no
50:50
I don't going back to the point no no why are we referring to that now
50:56
you're referring to remain as just gossip I am NOT referring to that same
51:00
point you only said that there was a rumor going around obviously see you're
51:06
calling it gossip but I am Telling You this is fear this is fear of a
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population who are not protected by any law except their own stuff they are on
51:17
their own don't think some police force will come
51:21
in a helicopter and save your children there is no such arrangement when there
51:25
is no arrangement like that they make their own crude arrangements
51:28
unfortunately I have seen somebody says one cow is stolen immediately 10-15 boys
51:34
get on the bicycles and ride in different directions one 30 40
51:38
kilometres this if they catch the guy that's the end of him right there
51:42
not because curve is religion simply because it's economy with two cows I am
51:48
making my life if you steal my cow my children will go hungry tomorrow morning
51:52
so they will fight so this is cause the law has not spread itself to
51:59
every inch of geography on this land you must understand this even today in a big
52:04
city I'm telling you if something happens to you if you want to file a
52:08
complaint you will have to take the local MLA somebody else a businessman
52:12
who know somebody by yourself you can't find this is the reality somebody who
52:18
has no basis in his life does this imply mob justice is valid how are you saying
52:24
these things do I look like a ninja for you then why are you asking that
52:28
question I am telling you this is the problem the problem means we don't want
52:34
to understand the reality in the pain of the people we just want to make a
52:38
judgment on them I am saying unfortunately nobody has provided them a
52:44
way so they're doing their own things when mob enforces something this is the
52:50
unfortunate way it will happen do we want this to happen absolutely no but do
52:56
we have means to stop it right now till you make law available to everybody and
53:01
quick justice to everybody I am telling you people will do their own things if
53:06
you think they should not do because you are living in the safe
53:10
you know enclosure of a wonderful institution you don't understand what it
53:14
is in a village when my child was missing what do i do what do i do where
53:18
do I go you don't know I have seen people women crying and beating their
53:23
breasts and walking around because the children are missing they don't know
53:26
where they've gone finished can I speak yes sir
53:33
so you have talked in general about the lynchings that have been happening and
53:37
we don't deny that they have been happening throughout the history they
53:41
have been happening in this country and our inability to bring them to the
53:44
judiciary is the cause but I am talking about a specific ID or a I got which
53:50
have increase recently and which have facts that they have been increasing
53:53
recently it's not about my cow getting steamed
53:56
it's about there is a car somewhere out there it's been killed and now I have to
54:00
Lynch for that there is a difference in mentality and it has not been seen
54:04
before definitely there is it's not that it's not been seen before it's right now
54:08
being reported because this is one of the strategic political strategies
54:13
that's happening in the country it's not also about political strategy or there
54:16
are many incidences which have not been reported by media but are still
54:19
happening at this research being going on about about that so whatever we found
54:23
out about the lynching are just like few percentage of that it's a very small
54:28
percentage what you found out till now in this for years because basically this
54:32
is all focused towards this particular government all right so in this four
54:36
years 42 lynchings have been reported out of these 12 lynchings are supposed
54:41
to be more what do you say religious basis is there to it 12 of them out of
54:48
42 but over three and a half to four million bovine animals in this country
54:54
are stolen every year and they smuggled across both the borders now western
54:59
border has become very tight because of security issues largely it's going
55:03
through the eastern border when this who is losing these four and four million
55:07
cows you must see this whose economy is ruined somebody's economy is ruined his
55:12
family economy is ruined isn't it because animals went away over three and
55:16
a half to four million animals are stolen in the country every year and
55:19
anyway for your information every year in four years 42 lynchings have happened
55:26
12 of them have a religious connotation to it for sure
55:29
there's no cause that is reported that is reported but what is not reported is
55:34
every year over hundred uniformed men including BSF soldiers are lynched and
55:41
killed by the cattle smugglers that's totally different
55:46
it's not doing that into it that's totally a different issue no no please
55:50
wise it is connected right so this is not justice please let us why just
55:55
because somebody wears a uniform he is easy supposed to die I am just saying
55:59
let's not connect these two issues only Regis security I want you to understand
56:04
when there is a large-scale crime going on when there's a large-scale crime
56:10
going on four million animals means on this side of the border they are
56:15
approximately ten to fifteen thousand rupees across the border they're between
56:19
thirty to fifty thousand rupees I want you to calculate the numbers you are the
56:22
business guys all right I won't get the numbers right please get me the numbers
56:27
with you so when I've been happy please understand this
56:31
these cows don't fly they they have to be walked all right
56:37
these cows these animals have to be walked or transported in trucks only
56:43
small amount is transported in trucks rest of them are walked in the nights
56:47
okay from across the country four million animals when such a large scale
56:53
crime is happening you think there will be no reaction at all when nobody is
56:58
caught by change now right now I said few years it is not now it is only
57:04
reported now it's always been happening I am telling you if they have reported
57:08
only 42 lynchings I will I will you know I am on camera but I am telling you from
57:14
my experience of rural India I would say anywhere between 200 to 500 lynchings
57:20
have happened in these four years and similar numbers are much bigger numbers
57:24
have happened in the past because unfortunately this is how things are
57:30
enforced in this country you have to change it means you have to create an
57:34
enforcement mechanism that's available to everybody in United States they say
57:38
an average time in which a police car arrives is three minutes and 20 seconds
57:43
even if it's in Montana average time in New York City they will arrive within 30
57:48
40 seconds armed men not just handguns if you open
57:52
their boot they got a short gun they got rifles they got works now a lot of
57:57
welding cycle grid and policemen come you think he can handle this 1015 youth
58:02
or 100 youth were indulging in this violence he is not capable of handling
58:07
so can we create a nation where law can be enforced or are we just going on
58:13
accusing each other you did it I did it I did it you did it what's the point if
58:17
you want to create a law-abiding nation the the instruments of law should be
58:23
strengthened we are talking about police reforms for 25 years where the hell are
58:27
they to wrap up the argument here allow me I'll be so you what are you
58:38
suggesting is that mass hysteria is pretty common has already existed mostly
58:43
because of say you can give see you can give name sitting in the comfort of your
58:48
well-to-do homes you can give these names it's mass hysteria tell me any of
58:53
you ladies I'm asking you suppose your child is stolen and you you know that
58:57
you may never find how will you react you will go wild
59:02
all right don't call it mass hysteria this that this is absence of law
59:07
enforcement be or also agreeing with that that it is strong but why are you
59:12
calling it mass hysteria as if it's some kind of an ailment I mean this is caused
59:17
because people don't have enough information or they believe in rumors or
59:20
because there are rumors but why are you ignoring every 40,000 children are
59:27
stolen it's not a rumor it's a fact for nearly 4 million cattle are stolen it's
59:31
not a rumor it's a fact legal enforcement needs to be strengthened the
59:35
fact that these things that is all I am saying but you pick up one sentence and
59:41
you say supporting lynching how can you say that this this looks like I am NOT
59:47
supporting Lynch against lucky one important thing is these are things
59:51
which we came across which we felt that you can ask me there is there is no
59:55
problem asking any question he wanted to know what was the context this is the
59:59
lyrics all right because as you pointed out people should not react to injustice
60:02
had a very different context they must respond sensibly in a conscious manner
60:08
human being means one significant aspect of who we are is
60:12
cp2 the same things animals do we are born they are born we eat they they
60:18
reproduce very produced we sleep they sleep we die they die we do the same
60:22
things only difference is we can do these things consciously if we give up
60:27
that one consciously acting we're just one more creature on this planet so I am
60:32
why was making the distinction if you react you will just express your animal
60:36
nature in some way so this whole lynching business is just a reaction but
60:40
at the same time people are helpless they have no other way there is no other
60:44
way you can go and file any fire and hold this paper in your hand you will
60:48
not see anything happening in a village you've said that all men and women are
60:53
equal we all believe that why should you believe like there is no disagreement
60:59
here I thought it's the same species what do you think it is but you also
61:04
said that you cannot imagine your own household without a non-working mother
61:10
did I say that yes no my mother's mother was working more than anybody else she
61:21
took a lot of pride in doing her work
61:29
okay let's come to the major point so unlike your mother my mother she's also
61:36
working mother the woman have had a choice right my my mother had a choice
61:42
your mother had a choice but that's not the case with everyone right so the main
61:47
point is that of agency right and then believe that the agency is being taken
61:53
away because of the gender of the person so they are not allowed to decide what
62:02
is what is happening site will expecting expectations are there when you don't
62:08
fulfill expectations there will be some price to pay but that is so for
62:12
everybody that is see I am NOT trying to say there is not been a certain level of
62:17
exploitation there definitely has been but don't once again react to that and
62:22
do reverse job all you have to do is educate educate educate just leave it
62:28
you will see in a generation everything will change this is the first generation
62:32
of women in this country who stepped out please understand women have stepped out
62:37
and doing so many things in the world not because of your liberal ideas it's
62:42
only because of technology because technology is leveled the playing field
62:47
technology has taken away the significance of man's brawn isn't it so
62:52
man's muscle has become insignificant simply because of technological
62:56
development not because of some liberalism or feminism or whatever it is
63:00
only because of technological development women are able to step out
63:04
and do the same things that men were doing in the past or even for the men it
63:09
is new to sit in the office and do this otherwise they were digging something
63:13
all right once the machines came man's muscle became insignificant because of
63:20
that there is a way so just allow a little more time rather than doing
63:23
something in a rush in a reactionary way and breaking the social structures
63:27
because if you break them do you have a better alternative that's a question
63:32
right now you are talking about your um you who didn't want a working mother my
63:38
mother was working all the time and she was very proud of what she was doing
63:41
and she was the most respected person in the family only thing is only your idea
63:47
of work is how much did she earn it was not significant for her the rupees and
63:56
paisa were not significant for her her values were totally different
64:00
again I think intent of the question got mistranslated tremendously why are you
64:07
so would you say that you know you only mean the reading the question and how
64:12
can it be miss translated so we can talk about you know the changing gender
64:23
structure in the workforce and all that but do you feel that you know all the
64:27
major movements feminism civil disobedience anti-apartheid anti racism
64:32
these are responses or reactions see anti-apartheid is a different dimension
64:37
altogether alright that's a different thing
64:41
similarly we how is it different see it is a an engineer an engineer
64:49
discrimination alright between men and women things responsibilities were
64:55
divided it is only when it so happened that our values became purely economic
65:02
suddenly we thought women are at a disorder disadvantage if you go to the
65:07
village and see men and women are working on the field as equals well she
65:11
will do planting he will do digging does it mean to mean to say in equality he
65:15
has more muscles so he does that kind of work she has another kind of strength so
65:19
disease does this and well you brought my mother into the picture now she had
65:26
four children when you have four children you have a project on hand
65:32
all right well it's an important project she did a good job on me the that kind
65:45
that I was if she did not tend to me constantly I don't know what I would
65:50
have become all right she did a good job on me and I'm glad
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not by domineering presence but simply out of her loud you could not do
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anything that she won't like simply because he will simply sit there with a
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tear in her eye and finished everybody's finished in the house that's all she
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never said one word she never scolded anybody abused anybody beat anybody if
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we did something that was against whatever she thought is good for
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everybody just one tear appeared in her eyes
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finished we were everybody got fixed absolutely so she had that kind of power
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and she exerted that when she had to because she did not earn money she seen
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failure to anybody I don't think so I don't think no no when you say working
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mother and a non working mother it's a wrong description they're working only
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thing is they may not be getting paid for it exactly how you say that react
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and response are nuanced versions of the same forward working non-working Harney
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ones so we're talking about you know the gender roles that are usually associated
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and and what the expectation is say if if a woman wants to work outside anyway
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there is a biological responsibility for some reason nature is trusted a woman
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more than the man and interested no interested this responsibility of
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manufacturing I am using the word manufacturing intently intentionally
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manufacturing the next generation using this one of the most important things
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that needs to happen in human societies hello if we don't do this properly it
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doesn't matter what kind of management techniques you learn is it going to work
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in the society I'm asking so now once you have a child
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human child is not born like other preachers you drop you know a cow drops
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a calf and immediately it starts running around a human being is not born like
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that human beings needs nurture now we are in a society where the first
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generation has stepped out to work outside once again because of technology
68:06
there again started working from home which is a very good thing actually but
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they stepped outside but we don't have social structures to take care of the
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young ones you leave your children into somebody's hands and go you know what
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all damage can happen you know how America is suffering for this though
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they have lot of structures and laws about how children should be taken care
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of in spite of that I'm just I'm just saying this because just a few days ago
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they brought this child who's eight year old girl from Ohio
68:37
an Indian couple when the child was young they left this child usually
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teenage students take up this babysitting because they need some extra
68:48
money so this is called as what they shake them like this what's it called
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there's some term for this that they shake the children like this when
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they're crying so that they quite not so this girl was shaken like parenting
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bad parenting no no no the babysitter's the babysitters are known to do this
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there is a term technical term for that because there are so many thousands of
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cases where children have been damaged because of the shaking so this pine got
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damaged and this girl the left side got paralyzed and they brought this girl to
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me she 8 year old girl now we are putting her through various things she's
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beginning to walk but her speech is not there so many troubles normal child but
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a 17 year old girl who came there to do babysitting she's just got irritated
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with this baby crying and she shook her so child a human child needs not just
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nourishment it needs somebody to play with somebody to laughs somebody to
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smile somebody to love and hug and kiss the child till we make such arrangements
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don't be in too much of a rush because will damage a whole generation of people
69:57
we need to make those are inventions see just now just now this society has
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just beginning to more away from joint family structure where we had the luxury
70:11
of grandmothers and arms and this and that all that is gone nuclear families
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have come just husband wife children now there is no support system nor is there
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an organized support system either by the government or private agencies
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nobody has come up with a real-time support system for young children where
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are you going to throw them and go when you go to work I don't believe he's
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meaning you throw them and go I am says it I did not say he means that
70:38
are you taking everything like I didn't mean he I mean I didn't mean he said
70:44
that I mean to say suppose I have I am a woman and I have a job and I have a
70:49
child what do I do when the society doesn't make arrangements what do I do
70:55
with my child where do I live in whose hands because of positive time and
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because many might also have questions over here will have to open the floor
71:04
for questions will be opening the floor for questions right now so people in
71:08
that quadrant but you should not translate their questions okay
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I have a question that uh if I if I say if I get a seat at I am and my parents
71:30
are very happy and then they congratulate me for my hard work but the
71:34
same thing if I do not get a seat they are like you will get what God intended
71:38
for you so if already everything is predestined
71:41
for me why do I take up all this effort to even work hard no no it is not
71:47
predestined they are just they just have a system as to how to address the
71:53
failure they don't want you to get totally frustrated and agonized by
72:02
something that did not work this is God's intention just enjoy the God's lap
72:07
okay this is a this an effective way of creating Solace this is not a solution
72:13
but this is a solace this is a psychological process that somebody is
72:18
trying to diminish your suffering for that moment so that you understand you
72:24
are in greater plan that's why we didn't get the admission namaskaram Sadhguru my
72:31
question is everybody has got their own dream especially related to Korean but
72:36
sometimes the dream of a child goes against the willingness of his parents a
72:39
child who want to do something and his parents want him to do something else
72:43
what should a child do in this situation should should he go against with his own
72:49
dream against his best parents with his own dream or should he kill the dream
72:54
inside him and obey his parents are you the child son no luckily I am NOT well
73:07
we must understand this if what we want to do is not in already laid out path if
73:16
you want to do something different if you think you will ever do it with
73:21
everybody's approval it'll never happen all right at the same time somebody has
73:28
born you somebody has brought you up somebody has educated you somebody has
73:32
in many ways they lived their life for you can you just reject them
73:37
do what the hell you want No so you must understand the parent and child
73:45
relationship is that of love you must increase the love volume and do what you
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want to do now the problem is when you when they say no you will get angry and
74:02
say nasty things no you should not react like that you must respond by increasing
74:08
the love volume when you increase the love volume they melt then you must tell
74:14
them see this is what I wish to do otherwise I will not be happy doing what
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you want me to do they will there is a prize for
74:27
everything we do in our lives so we were talking about how it is a dilemma for a
74:34
mother if she has a job to serve and a child to take care of my question is why
74:38
the same dilemma doesn't exist for the father because we are talking about a
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mother should be there to play with the child to take care why can a father not
74:46
be there all by the same dilemma doesn't exist for the father as it does for the
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mother it is not that it doesn't exist it does exist today it is just that at
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an early age a child prefers mother's company more than the father's when he
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starts running around he likes father when he is still crawling and
75:10
boo-boo-boo he likes mother at least the first three years four years the child
75:16
prefers the mother because it's natural for the child to prefer that comfort of
75:21
a mother but when he starts running around 6 7 8 then he wants father
75:26
because he wants a twin child he wants to go out he wants to go on a motorcycle
75:30
or you want to go somewhere else but early age he wants the comfort of the
75:34
mother now generally we have not created this this is something we can do which
75:41
we have been talking about but not happened there are many people like this
75:44
I said such people move into one apartment one lady who's really good at
75:49
children with children she could take care of all
75:52
the children very well and do something some cooperation has to happen because
75:56
we have banished our grandmothers and aunts and others we can't stand them
76:00
anymore at least somebody who could be paid something but who's a volunteer not
76:06
simply a paid person who's going to shake your child like this somebody who
76:09
has some care and concern for the child has to be there but unfortunately those
76:14
arrangements are yet to happen in our society because it's new arrangements
76:19
have not come I'm sure in the next 15 20 years these will come but there is a
76:23
certain amount of suffering in the meantime so for the manifestation or the
76:29
achievement of the goals of passions or even for holding a king cobra as you say
76:33
a wholesome control over the chemistry of thoughts and emotions is necessary so
76:39
at this point in life with so many stimulations opportunities distractions
76:44
ambitions passions everything hovering all around how to achieve that control
76:48
over the chemistry of thoughts emotions and fears as well so how do agree wit or
76:52
elevate that either within to read that like to reach that silence within where
76:58
we could do what we want and whatever v1 becomes what it is it's a long question
77:11
say one thing is when it comes to what's within us if we do not harness the
77:20
process of this body and the process of this mind you will not do anything
77:26
significant isn't it so the question is what methods do you have
77:32
right now the only methods you have is education that is learning learning
77:39
techniques learning methods learning information exposure this there are
77:46
other ways to do this also where you can organize yourself that your body and
77:51
your mind takes instructions from you this is one aspect of it it must your
77:57
body and your mind are your most basic faculties that you have they must take
78:03
instructions from you if they work against you you're finished isn't it
78:06
right now you call this stress anxiety nonsense whatever essentially your
78:11
intelligence is working against you your thought and emotion is not going the way
78:16
you want it to go it's doing its own thing well if you cannot manage your own
78:23
mind how the hell are you going to manage let's say 100 or thousand or
78:28
10,000 Minds because management essentially means you must be able to
78:32
manage the people managing the people means you must get everybody to get to
78:36
one intent and act in a significant way how will you do this when your own mind
78:42
doesn't take instructions from you you cannot manage yours but you believe you
78:46
can manage this there is no way it's going to happen this is why a whole lot
78:51
of people who are in successful professions are all having ulcers heart
78:55
burns heart breaks and all kinds of things because they are upping the
79:00
activity without enhancing themselves it is like you want to be on a Formula one
79:06
track but you went with your small little car that you everybody drives to
79:11
the office then if you drive at a certain speed four wheels will go in
79:15
four different directions this is what is happening to a whole lot of people
79:19
when they aspire for what they want and go at it
79:24
body breaks down there man breaks down something happens simply because they
79:28
have not strived to in hence this first you enhance this activity will open up
79:35
in the world for you but you are in a rush for the goals that you have set up
79:38
already because of that you don't spend time on them if you do not enhance the
79:43
machine activity cannot be enhanced stress will happen breakdown will happen
79:48
isn't it but when it comes to the outside world there are a lot of
79:52
misunderstandings about what is coming our way can I tell you - because it's
79:58
been so serious I this happened in Michigan a tiny little bird was very
80:07
exuberant and happy and winter started coming it should have gone south but it
80:15
was so happy it forgot about it and little late then he tried to fly but
80:21
because of the cold the its wings froze and it fell down then a cow was passing
80:29
that way with an American cop
80:40
a car was passing that way and it dropped a heap of dung and it fell right
80:46
on the bird so inside this dung the warmth of the dung caused thaw of the
80:52
wings the ice melted away and it felt happy and warm
80:58
tick-tick-tick it started tweeting from inside the dung it couldn't get up but
81:03
it was happy inside the dung a cat was going by it heard this bird tweaking it
81:10
opened up the dung and he ate of the bird the moral of the story is not
81:16
everybody who heaps dung on you is your enemy not everybody who gets you out of
81:23
shit is your friend and
81:31
and and above all when you're in a heap of shit keep your mouth shut this is
81:42
this is now I'm saying this because this is because we have created a world now
81:49
if I have trouble I must talk to everybody in the world they're all going
81:53
to give thousand solutions no when you feel you're in trouble please just spend
81:59
some time upon yourself invest some time and energy upon yourself because there
82:05
is no trouble which troubles you except what you allow isn't it what is it
82:10
you must invest some time and energy upon yourself this value of Solitude is
82:17
totally gone in the world in this generation please bring it back if you
82:21
want to make yourself of some substance
82:32
I'd like to just thank the chef foundation for such a wonderful show
82:36
they put on well and thank you said guru for spending so much time with us but
82:43
this we closed the session I want you to understand I don't know to what extent
82:50
all of you are exposed to the nature of the country in which you're living we
82:56
constantly keep gloating about the tremendous things the nation has done in
83:01
the past yes it is true but we've also forgotten a whole lot of horrendous
83:07
things that have happened to this country and today we are where we are
83:11
where there is inaccurate inequality of observed kind okay absurd
83:18
kind and most cruel kind where I give problems in this country this country is
83:25
a heap of problems this education that you're getting here in a premier
83:31
institution please may become the source of sorting out and solving the problems
83:37
in this country because I am telling you not even 1% not even 1% of this country
83:45
this population can even sit in the kind of comfort and ambience that you and me
83:50
are sitting right now not even 1% this cannot be called success
83:55
this cannot be called even a nation if you ask me so we have to make a nation
84:03
out of this 1.3 billion people we have in our hands and a whole lot of them are
84:08
youthful please whatever knowledge and capabilities that you get invest that to
84:15
bring some humanity to the human beings who are living in this country please


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