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Sadhguru - Future of the Feminine


Julie Gichuru With Sadhguru on Future of the Feminine

38:16
Julie Gichuru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen (Applause).
38:22
Are you miked?
38:23
You’re already miked?
38:25
It’s well-hidden (Sadhguru laughs)
38:26
by the beautiful beard
38:28
so… Ladies and gentlemen
38:30
I actually have my phone,
38:32
so I can ask Sadhguru for a selfie after this (Laughter).
38:35
So if I forget, remind me and we’ll all be in the selfie
38:38
because I’ll turn that way, so (Sadhguru laughs)
38:41
Good evening everyone.
38:43
Sadhguru: Hello?
38:44
Julie Gichuru: It’s such a pleasure and an honor to be here, Sadhguru
38:46
Sadhguru: Is it... Is it okay if I do a minute’s chant?
38:49
Julie Gichuru: Yes, yes, absolutely.
38:51
Sadhguru: Mhmm (Indicating agreement).
39:13
Sadhguru chants Sanskrit chant Jananam Sukhadam...
40:10
Sadhguru: Good evening.
40:11
Good evening, everyone.
40:13
Julie Gichuru: Good evening.
40:15
For those of us, who don’t understand –
40:17
and there may be some in the room –
40:19
what did you sing (Sadhguru laughs)?
40:27
Sadhguru: It’s...
40:34
It’s a chant,
40:35
which in some way describing the human condition.
40:41
Birth is a (Audio disturbance) pleasure
40:44
because you can see… (Talks aside: Can somebody fix the feedback, please?)
40:54
You can see this on a child’s face –
40:57
just being born,
40:59
there’s a pleasure about being alive.
41:02
You can see it on children’s faces.
41:07
But death is a compassion.
41:10
We’re glad that we can all die one day.
41:15
Right now, if I mention this word,
41:17
there’ll be lot of anxiety in people
41:20
but the best thing about life is,
41:25
nobody fails,
41:26
everybody passes (Laughter/Applause).
41:35
Just (Laughs)...
41:37
Just imagine,
41:38
because you did not do life good enough,
41:41
they detained you (Laughter),
41:44
that wouldn’t be good.
41:46
Julie Gichuru: And so death is a passage?
41:47
Sadhguru: It... It… It is a compassion.
41:49
It’s the compassion (Audio disturbance) of life,
41:51
it allows us to pass.
42:05
Julie Gichuru: That’s amazing
42:07
Sadhguru: And the next part of it means...
42:11
See, we may think of many things about our lives.
42:15
Right now, we have come here,
42:17
we will go there,
42:18
we’ll go to many places,
42:19
we’ll do many things.
42:21
But as far as our physical self is concerned,
42:24
the body is concerned… (Audio disturbance)
42:33
As far as our body is concerned,
42:35
it is going straight to the grave.
42:39
Or in other words,
42:40
time is one thing that you can’t hold,
42:43
it’s ticking away all the time.
42:46
If you live great, it ticks away,
42:48
if you live lousy, it ticks away,
42:50
if you sleep, it ticks away,
42:52
if you sit, it ticks away,
42:53
if you walk, it ticks away.
42:54
Do whatever, it ticks away.
42:56
As I’m speaking, you’re one minute closer to death,
42:59
that’s what it means.
43:02
And this is the biggest thing.
43:04
Only because human beings have forgotten
43:07
that they are mortal,
43:09
they’re not conscious of their mortal nature,
43:13
they can invest their time in so many things,
43:15
which doesn’t mean a damn thing to them.
43:19
If they were conscious today that,
43:22
“I’m mortal and time is ticking away”,
43:26
they would do only what really matters.
43:28
If all of us do only what truly, truly matters to every one of us,
43:33
this would be a fantastic place to live.
43:37
Julie Gichuru: That’s so powerful.
43:39
It’s so powerful.
43:40
And I hear you laughing.
43:41
I am kind of stunned by the reality of it (Sadhguru laughs),
43:44
especially when we look at society
43:46
and the fact that so many people are unconscious
43:48
and I’ll come back to that.
43:49
But I want to bring us to the conversation,
43:52
which is the future of the feminine.
43:55
And I do have some questions in relation
43:59
Deep questions...
43:59
Sadhguru: They’ve ruled the past,
44:00
they’re ruling the present,
44:01
they’ll rule the future (Laughter).
44:02
Julie Gichuru: The women, ah (Sadhguru laughs) (Applause)!
44:07
Questions answered.
44:10
No (Laughs)
44:11
Sadhguru: So...
44:12
Julie Gichuru: So let me start with a deep one
44:13
and I... I always like to look at my background
44:16
and my culture and in so many ways,
44:18
I think I embody two different cultures.
44:20
My father is from...
44:21
his family was from Kashmir.
44:23
My mother’s family is...
44:24
is Kenyan African and I see...
44:27
Sadhguru: Hey, hey, you cannot say that he’s from Kashmir.
44:29
You must say he’s from India (Laughter/Applause).
44:31
Julie Gichuru: Oh no, I didn’t say which side he ended up on (Laughter/Applause).
44:34
Sorry. We’re...
44:40
We’re not into politics yet (Laughter),
44:42
we’re going to come to politics in just a short while.
44:45
Sadhguru: Because right now, there’s a law in the country.
44:48
Julie Gichuru: Oh, is there?
44:48
Sadhguru: Yeah.
44:49
Julie Gichuru: Oh, I’m treading on (Sadhguru laughs)...
44:51
I’m treading on dangerous ground now (Sadhguru laughs).
44:53
My father then is originally from India,
44:56
so let’s make it clear (Laughs).
44:58
I grew up in a family,
45:00
where –
45:01
and for all the girls in the house, who went through this,
45:02
you will understand –
45:03
you say something at the table
45:05
and nobody notices you said it.
45:07
In five minutes, one of your brothers says it
45:09
five... five minutes later and everybody says,
45:10
“Oh, what an intelligent thing!”
45:12
How many ladies went through that growing up?
45:14
Do we see...
45:15
I see...
45:16
I see a few hands.
45:16
And you...
45:17
I see hands.
45:18
And you’re wondering, you know,
45:19
“Am I not here, am I not present?
45:21
What’s going on?”
45:24
What is the problem with our society
45:26
and our culture
45:27
and why do we hold women down so much?
45:33
Sadhguru: See,
45:36
instead of talking about men and women
45:39
as if they’re two separate species –
45:41
they’re not –
45:44
the feminine and masculine,
45:46
if we address life in that sense
45:49
We must understand that
45:51
feminine will have a significant role to play,
45:56
feminine will find some respect and regard
45:59
only if we structure a society in a very balanced way.
46:07
If as we are structuring our societies everywhere in the world today,
46:12
that economics is the only important thing in our life.
46:18
Today, if you say in Nairobi or in Kenya,
46:23
“This is a big man”,
46:25
it does not mean he has a big brain (Laughter),
46:29
it does not mean he has a huge heart,
46:32
it does not mean he has something else big,
46:35
it means he has a big pocket (Laughter/Applause).
46:45
Or in other words,
46:47
our entire consciousness is right now ruled by economics.
46:53
Economics means just over-glorification of simply,
47:00
you know survival process –
47:03
complicating survival process like never before.
47:06
To provide something for our well-being,
47:09
for our comfort, convenience and survival,
47:12
we have to arrange something.
47:13
This arrangement is slowly raising to such a pitch,
47:16
as if it belongs to heaven in the world.
47:20
When economics is the driving force,
47:23
the role of the feminine will become less and less and less.
47:29
Only when in our lives,
47:31
in our societies,
47:32
there is equal significance
47:34
for art, music, love, aesthetics
47:37
and many other subtler aspects of our life,
47:40
then feminine will have an equal role.
47:43
Now you structure a society so skewed
47:46
and you’re wondering why feminine doesn’t have a role –
47:48
well, it cannot have.
47:50
Women can succeed today in this world
47:54
only if they’re like men.
47:56
There is no other way to succeed
47:58
because they have to become masculine
48:01
because the social significance or the world’s
48:05
the significance of human societies
48:07
has shifted from all other subtleties
48:10
to one crudeness of economics.
48:12
Wherever you go today,
48:13
what is the conversation?
48:15
Economy.
48:16
Can you beat it?
48:17
At least they were talking about weather some time ago (Laughter).
48:23
Julie Gichuru: So it’s a no-win situation (Audio disturbance).
48:27
Sadhguru: No, women may...
48:29
Women may win
48:31
but feminine will lose out,
48:34
unless we restructure our societies,
48:37
giving equal significance to all the subtler aspects of our life,
48:42
where naturally feminine will become prominent
48:45
and important in our lives.
48:47
Julie Gichuru: That’s powerful.
48:49
That means we need to restructure society
48:51
and I’ll come later...
48:52
Sadhguru: Our priorities have to change.
48:54
Julie Gichuru: Yeah,
48:55
and we have to start with everyone because...
48:57
I’ll come to that because (Sadhguru laughs)
49:00
that is yet to come.
49:01
Back to family, ladies and gentlemen,
49:03
if you look at much of our societies in Africa,
49:08
in Asia and all over the world,
49:11
there is a struggle when it comes...
49:13
And I’ll bring us back to... to...
49:15
feminine and masculine as in the gender.
49:18
And we do see the prevalence of gender violence,
49:22
it’s something that we’re dealing with a lot.
49:24
And for instance,
49:26
even fighting ills such as female genital mutilation
49:28
and trying to re-educate people.
49:30
It’s a huge issue within homes,
49:33
how do we bring up young men,
49:35
who respect and love women,
49:37
and how do we bring up young women,
49:39
who are confident
49:41
and demand love and respect?
49:43
How... How do we do that and break the current
49:50
Sadhguru: It’s very important that in childhood,
49:53
the homes manage this well
49:55
because it’s an early age, if they pick up these things,
49:58
later on it’s very difficult for them to come to terms with this.
50:02
I think that is changing rapidly in this generation.
50:05
It has changed rapidly in this generation already, I would say,
50:09
in many ways.
50:10
Today, it is...
50:14
it’s very common at least in India, that
50:16
the girls are doing way better than boys
50:19
in most of the educational institutions
50:23
and a whole lot of parents choose to have girls
50:26
rather than boys.
50:28
You know, there’s a ulterior motive in this (Laughs)
50:34
because if you have a girl,
50:39
you just have to take care of till she is maybe eighteen, twenty, twenty-five.
50:43
Boy means you don’t know,
50:45
he may be on your hands forever (Laughter).
50:50
Parents want to be done with the project at some time.
50:53
“Project – Children” must be over at some point (Both laugh).
50:59
So, things are changing,
51:01
I think rapidly,
51:02
very seriously changing.
51:05
It is just that
51:07
the violence within the families is unfortunate.
51:13
Once again, it is...
51:15
I would say it is not essentially against women.
51:20
The violence is not against women.
51:23
Right now, we have adopted this mentality,
51:28
there’s a whole lot of violence against children,
51:30
irrespective of their gender.
51:32
So what this shows is,
51:34
we are willing to beat up anybody,
51:36
who’s little weaker than us.
51:39
Not necessarily women, I’m saying.
51:42
So, this is always misunderstood as
51:44
this is violence against a particular gender.
51:47
No, no,
51:48
if they find anybody little weaker than them,
51:51
they’ll beat them up.
51:52
Julie Gichuru: We’re terrible people
51:53
Sadhguru: No...
51:54
Julie Gichuru: ...and it comes back to the consciousness
51:56
and... and that is so...
51:58
Sadhguru: So, this is because,
52:01
if you bring up a society essentially
52:06
on the identification of your physical form or your body –
52:12
if I have a stronger body than you,
52:15
naturally I think
52:18
I can do things with it, all right?
52:21
This is why spiritual process is important
52:24
because spiritual process does not mean
52:26
looking up,
52:27
or looking down,
52:28
or looking heavenward
52:29
or something else.
52:31
Spiritual process means
52:32
your experience of life has touched a dimension beyond physical nature.
52:37
Once your identification shifts to something
52:40
beyond your physicality,
52:43
then your physical dominance is not a significance...
52:47
of any significance to yourself.
52:49
When it’s not of any signif... significance to yourself,
52:53
you will not try to manifest this in the world
52:55
as a physical dominance.
52:57
It is wanting to dominate
53:01
and now because we’re identified with the body so much,
53:05
we will try to dominate physically,
53:08
which is experienced as violence by somebody else.
53:11
But pushing somebody away and going,
53:14
that person doesn’t think it’s violence.
53:16
He thinks it’s his right
53:17
because he is bigger, of course.
53:21
Julie Gichuru: So (Laughs), wow!
53:24
Staying within the home,
53:26
Sadhguru and the relationship dynamics of the family –
53:28
in my family,
53:30
I have one daughter and I have sons,
53:32
many sons.
53:33
Sadhguru: See, you’re also prejudiced (Laughs).
53:35
Julie Gichuru: Oh, no, no. On which side would you think?
53:38
On which side would you think?
53:40
Sadhguru: On the male side.
53:41
Julie Gichuru: How did you know?
53:42
So okay, so in my family...
53:43
Sadhguru: You have four boys (Laughs).
53:44
Julie Gichuru: There we go.
53:46
But my daughter is very close to her father.
53:48
Do we have that in many families,
53:50
where the young lady can get anything from daddy, right?
53:54
And... And my sons are very close to mommy.
53:59
What happens in society that when they grow up,
54:03
you would think then that a man always will treasure a woman.
54:06
And you know,
54:07
I think when families get it right,
54:09
it doesn’t go wrong later.
54:11
Where do we get it wrong?
54:13
Because clearly in parenting,
54:15
there’s something going wrong (Sadhguru laughs)?
54:21
Sadhguru: We must understand this.
54:23
See, this is...
54:23
That’s why I said this is not against a particular gender.
54:28
Well, a man wants a woman, all right?
54:31
It’s not that he’s against her.
54:33
man-woman relationship is one relationship,
54:36
where there is too much overlap.
54:40
You have to share everything,
54:42
from your bedroom to bathroom
54:44
to including your bodies (Julie Gichuru laughs), all right?
54:46
Too much overlap.
54:47
Julie Gichuru: Even bank accounts (Laughter), yes.
54:50
Sadhguru: I wouldn’t get into that now (Laughter).
54:54
See, you’re going back to economics (Laughter).
54:59
So because there is so much overlap,
55:01
there is more room for conflict.
55:05
It...
55:05
It needs to be...
55:07
It is a beautiful overlap only when there is an atmosphere of love.
55:13
Once that’s gone,
55:14
when it’s a transaction,
55:16
this level of overlap is not healthy for a transaction (Laughs).
55:20
Transaction is good like this (Gestures).
55:22
This much overlap and so many things to transact on a daily basis,
55:27
it is bound to cause friction.
55:29
Only when there is a certain sense of love and devotion involved in this,
55:34
then it...
55:35
with that lubrication,
55:37
all this friction will go on without much out...
55:40
you know, manifestation of friction.
55:42
Julie Gichuru: Because the love dominates,
55:43
the love takes the space.
55:44
Sadhguru: Yes. So today, when we’re thinking of marriages and relationships
55:49
with an expiry date in our mind (Laughter)...
55:53
Julie Gichuru: Do we (Laughter)?
55:55
Sadhguru: A whole lot of people are unfortunately,
55:58
the world is coming to that.
56:00
There was a time when people were anyway committed.
56:03
When that commitment was there,
56:05
things came up,
56:06
problems happened,
56:07
they fought,
56:08
again tomorrow they were close
56:10
and things went on. Okay,
56:12
today morning quarreling, evening fine,
56:15
night full of love and morning again quarrel.
56:18
Things were going on (Laughs),
56:19
I’m saying because there is such a serious overlap of two lives
56:24
and there will be… bound to be areas of friction.
56:28
If your... Every family comes up with their own devices
56:32
of handling this friction
56:36
and some people fail to come up with devices
56:39
because there is not enough commitment.
56:41
If it was very clear to you,
56:44
hell or high water,
56:45
you got to be with the same person,
56:48
then you would find ways to fix it.
56:52
Now, you think if it doesn’t work,
56:54
she’s finished.
56:56
When this is there,
56:57
you are unwilling to find ways
57:00
because between any two human beings,
57:02
if there is so much overlap,
57:04
if we are not committed, then being together is difficult,
57:08
every small thing flares up into a big thing.
57:11
Smallest things will blow up into a place,
57:14
where… Today of course,
57:16
it leads to divorce or whatever.
57:18
This is because
57:19
there is no long-term commitment
57:20
because we think there’s always another option.
57:23
Is it good,
57:24
is it bad?
57:24
It’s not for me to say that
57:26
but I’m just exploring the problem (Laughs).
57:30
Julie Gichuru: It’s a big problem
57:31
and I am focusing on family because really,
57:33
I believe it is the...
57:34
it plays a pivotal role in society.
57:37
And looking at the society we’re living in
57:39
and the children that we’re bringing up,
57:42
it’s so dynamic.
57:43
If they’re looking for positive information out there,
57:46
they will find what they are looking for.
57:48
If they’re looking for negative information,
57:50
they’ll find it,
57:51
it’s easily accessible.
57:53
This highly digital world we’re living in,
57:55
what are the key things that you would say
57:58
we need to teach this young generation
58:00
to keep them firmly grounded?
58:07
Sadhguru: Hello to all the people in the upper regions (Laughter).
58:16
See,
58:17
when a child enters your life,
58:21
it’s like a bundle of joy,
58:23
which has entered your life –
58:25
with lot of pain, of course.
58:27
There’s lot of pain involved in bringing forth (Laughs)
58:30
Julie Gichuru: Yes, I can attest to that,
58:31
the women can attest to that (Laughs).
58:34
Sadhguru: But when the child came,
58:37
things that you would have never done in your life,
58:39
you start doing.
58:42
You can’t sing ever
58:44
for nuts even in your bathroom,
58:46
suddenly you start singing (Few laugh).
58:50
You can’t even bend down and pick up something,
58:52
you can’t touch your toes
58:54
but you crawl under the sofa along with your child.
58:58
You know,
58:59
you go under the furniture with him or her.
59:03
Like this,
59:03
many things.
59:05
You sing,
59:05
you dance,
59:06
you play,
59:07
you… For moments at least,
59:10
if not for good, for moment at least,
59:13
you forgot the concrete block that you have become
59:16
and you became life once again, all right?
59:21
But somehow,
59:24
all the adults believe
59:25
they have to teach something as soon as the child comes.
59:30
So this is...
59:31
People ask me,
59:32
“Sadhguru, what is your sadhana?
59:34
You did not read scriptures,
59:35
you did not go to a teacher,
59:36
you did not learn anything
59:38
but you seem to know everything,
59:39
how is it?”
59:40
I tell them,
59:41
“This’s the only thing that I (Laughs) did in my life is,
59:44
I made sure that I’m not influenced by anybody around me,
59:50
whether it’s my parents,
59:52
or the culture around me,
59:53
or the teachers
59:55
or every adult around,
59:56
because every adult around you
59:58
is trying to teach you something that’s not worked in their life
60:09
When I say something that’s not worked in their life –
60:13
between you and your child, if you look at it,
60:17
who is more joyful?
60:21
Your child.
60:21
I’m asking,
60:22
who should be a consultant for life (Laughter)?
60:28
One who knows how to be joyful for no reason,
60:31
he should be a consultant?
60:33
Or one,
60:34
even if everything is working your way,
60:35
you carry a grave face and walk around the world,
60:38
you should be a consultant for life?
60:40
You must decide.
60:41
So if a child comes into your life,
60:43
it’s not time to teach,
60:45
it’s time to learn.
60:46
Once again you could reinvent your life,
60:49
you could learn what it means to be alive (Applause).
60:53
Instead of learning what it means to be alive,
60:57
people are carrying grave faces and going around.
61:02
Grave is... Grave will anyway come,
61:04
you don’t have to practice it on your face (Laughter).
61:08
I was (Laughs)... I was speaking at the… You know,
61:10
just about four weeks ago,
61:12
I was speaking at the Stanford Medical University.
61:15
I just looked around, these many doctors who’re sitting there,
61:19
all (Gestures) (Laughter)
61:20
Many of them, like this (Gestures).
61:23
I said,
61:24
“See, when you walk into a patient’s room,
61:27
grave is one thing that you should not remind them of” (Laughter).
61:31
Julie Gichuru: They’re going
61:32
might be getting there so (Laughs)
61:34
Sadhguru: Especially when somebody is not well in a hospital,
61:37
you don’t remind them of a grave.
61:40
It’s very important that a doctor walks in
61:43
with a different sense of vitality and life about him.
61:48
So similarly,
61:49
a child has come into your life means
61:51
it’s time to live it up,
61:54
once again to become fully alive.
61:56
Whatever you age,
61:58
your aliveness need not come down, isn’t it?
62:01
Our physical agility may come down with age
62:05
but why should your aliveness come down?
62:07
If aliveness is coming down,
62:09
it means you’re committing suicide in installments (Laughter).
62:12
That’s what it means (Laughs).
62:14
Yes or no?
62:16
Hello (Laughter)?
62:19
I’m talking to you,
62:21
hello (Laughter/Applause)?
62:25
Julie Gichuru: Wow, that’s powerful.
62:27
Sadhguru: So children have come –
62:28
time to understand
62:30
how to make something out of nothing.
62:33
That’s what a child is.
62:34
You leave him anywhere,
62:36
he finds an ant,
62:38
he find it interesting enough
62:40
to make a universe out of an ant.
62:43
We’ve given you a bloody universe
62:45
and you’re making nothing out of it (Laughter).
62:51
Everything you have today
62:53
Compared to any other generation on this planet,
62:55
you know more comforts and conveniences than any other generation ever before.
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Isn’t it so?
63:02
But (Gestures) (Laughter)
63:06
Why (Laughs)?
63:08
Why means because,
63:10
“Traffic, Sadhguru, traffic” (Laughter).
63:13
Well, you’re sitting in your dream car, aren’t you (Laughter)?
63:18
Julie Gichuru: Enjoy it.
63:21
Sadhguru: Traffic is helping you to stay in your dream for some more time (Laughter/Applause).
63:36
Julie Gichuru: You know,
63:37
what you’ve just told us is,
63:38
stop trying to teach your children
63:40
and start learning from them, start living.
63:43
We’re such a complaining generation of people.
63:46
Sadhguru: Oh,
63:47
we’re the most whining generation on the planet ever (Laughter).
63:51
Julie Gichuru: You come to Kenya at a time
63:53
when we have anti-something demonstrations,
63:56
then we have anti-demonstration demonstrations,
64:00
then we have anti-demonstration-demonstration demonstrations
64:03
and... And you know, the ordinary Kenyan’s caught in the middle of it
64:07
wondering what’s going on.
64:08
So I must talk about political leadership for a moment,
64:10
if you will allow me.
64:11
Can we?
64:12
Participants: Yes.
64:13
Julie Gichuru: For a moment?
64:14
Participants: Yes.
64:15
Julie Gichuru: Sadhguru, what’s wrong with our politicians?
64:17
So many (Laughter/Applause)
64:19
I’m just...
64:20
The most basic question...
64:25
In so many of our countries
64:27
And I think in many ways,
64:29
India is similar to Kenya,
64:30
very vibrant countries,
64:32
you know, alive and...
64:33
and brimming with opportunity.
64:35
We know what we must do
64:37
and we just never seem to be doing
64:39
what we know that we must do.
64:42
Why?
64:42
Why?
64:43
What’s wrong?
64:49
Sadhguru: See,
64:51
I am not saying
64:53
Many nations around the world,
64:55
I’m not saying the best of men have reached leadership.
64:59
No,
65:00
it’s not true.
65:03
We have chosen a democratic system largely in the world.
65:09
What this means is,
65:11
in...
65:12
in Tamil language,
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democracy is translated as jananayakam.
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This means people are the leaders.
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That’s what it means.
65:23
This means one among you,
65:25
if you’re willing to go through the works,
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you could become a leader.
65:31
That’s what it means.
65:32
“Oh, come on Sadhguru,
65:34
where do I have a chance?”
65:35
Well, that’s what it means,
65:37
that one among you,
65:39
if you understand the system and you’re willing to go through the works
65:44
that it takes to get there,
65:46
you could get there.
65:47
Well, right now,
65:48
India has set a huge example like this.
65:51
A boy, who was selling tea in a railway station,
65:54
is our Prime Minister today,
65:56
hmm (Applause)?
66:00
I’m...
66:02
I’m not bowing down to the man,
66:03
I’m not made like that.
66:05
But I’m bowing down to this possibility –
66:09
a boy, who was selling tea in the railway station,
66:13
he could even aspire to become a Prime Minister of such a large nation,
66:18
which is a tremendous thing,
66:20
never before possible in the history of this humanity.
66:23
Isn’t it so?
66:25
Never before such things were possible.
66:27
That's what democracy means
66:30
But are we actively making use of it?
66:34
That’s another thing.
66:36
Most people
66:37
I don’t know how you are in Kenya,
66:39
I… I don’t have the numbers
66:40
but I’m sure more than sixty percent of you
66:43
or more than forty percent of you don’t even go out and vote.
66:49
Yes (Few applaud)?
66:50
So, that is just one day in five years,
66:54
even that you can’t do.
66:56
But democracy does not mean just casting your vote.
67:00
Democracy means there are many instruments in the system
67:04
that every day you are supposed to exercise.
67:07
You are supposed to rule.
67:09
You have appointed somebody to do the job
67:13
but you are supposed to rule.
67:16
But you think it’s his job to do.
67:18
Well, he is doing it the way he knows it.
67:21
You must be okay with it,
67:23
you shouldn’t complain.
67:24
When you’re unwilling to take responsibility
67:27
for your own well-being
67:30
and the well-being of your society and your nation,
67:33
you shouldn’t complain, isn’t it?
67:35
Because you’re only sitting down for dole-outs,
67:37
this is what you get.
67:39
A beggar shouldn’t complain, isn’t it (Laughs)?
67:43
You...
67:43
You are not behaving like a leader,
67:45
you are not behaving like a jananayaka,
67:48
a leader,
67:49
a people being leader.
67:51
People are not behaving like leaders, are they?
67:53
They’re behaving like beggars.
67:55
When you behave like beggars, you should not complain.
67:57
You can crib in your corner
68:00
but you cannot complain (Laughs)
68:02
because you have no right to complain
68:04
because you are not exercising the instruments of democracy as you should.
68:11
About... Like in India, we have a saying,
68:15
“You only get the kind of leadership that you deserve.”
68:20
For …In many ways,
68:22
we’ve been indolent,
68:23
we’ve been sitting back and… You know,
68:25
in India this is a thing,
68:27
I’m sure in Kenya also.
68:29
If you go to a tea shop anywhere
68:32
India is full of tea shops,
68:33
okay (Laughs)
68:35
if you go to a tea shop,
68:37
the guy who’s selling tea,
68:40
making probably fifty-hundred cups of tea in a day,
68:44
that’s his job,
68:46
he will tell you
68:48
how Prime Minister should function (Laughter).
68:50
Julie Gichuru: And he knows
68:52
and he has… Yes, he’s… Yes
68:53
Sadhguru: He... He knows.
68:53
No, no, he knows.
68:55
And he not only knows that
68:56
If you know some cricket
68:58
I know you do (Julie Gichuru laughs)
68:59
he will tell how the Tendulkar,
69:01
who
69:02
how he doesn’t know the batting technique,
69:04
how he should bat (Laughter), all right?
69:07
He will...
69:08
He will
69:08
has advice for everybody.
69:10
Only problem is,
69:12
he doesn’t know how to make good tea (Laughter/Applause).
69:19
This is a serious problem (Laughter).
69:21
Everybody knows how somebody else should do their job
69:26
but they don’t know how to do theirs (Laughter).
69:30
So, in a democracy,
69:32
though all of us are responsible for the nation,
69:36
the first and foremost thing for us to do is,
69:39
whatever we are supposed to do,
69:41
we are supposed to do it really well,
69:44
not just for my well-being
69:47
but constantly being conscious
69:49
that this is for the well-being of my nation and my world.
69:52
If this is not there, there is no democracy.
69:56
There is only feudalism.
69:58
You are a feudalist, essentially.
70:00
I’m saying most people are feudalists,
70:02
only thing is they don’t have a following (Laughter).
70:08
And the moment
70:09
Even when it comes to voting –
70:11
this has happened in every nation –
70:14
most people are voting in a committed way.
70:18
Because of their religion,
70:21
or community,
70:23
or caste,
70:23
or creed
70:24
or party lines,
70:25
they’re committed votes.
70:27
If you go to United States of America,
70:30
Republican,
70:31
Democratic
70:32
looks like two different religions
70:33
and it's committed.
70:34
They have two different gods.
70:38
A committed vote means democracy is ruined.
70:43
Democracy can only happen
70:45
if there is a considered vote.
70:48
Every time, it is a considered vote.
70:51
If you vote for somebody,
70:54
who your family votes for,
70:55
you should not even know.
70:56
That’s what a secret ballot means.
70:59
Now, if all of you decide together
71:01
and go and vote to one person,
71:04
that means there is no democracy
71:06
feudalism in the guise of democracy (Applause).
71:13
Julie Gichuru: I think you are starting to un-tap
71:14
what’s going on here (Both laugh),
71:16
it’s really fascinating.
71:18
I want to take it a little bit deeper in.
71:20
And you know what’s interesting, Sadhguru,
71:22
is that in Kenya,
71:23
a lot of people do vote. Right?
71:25
Participants: Yeah.
71:26
Julie Gichuru: We have very high...
71:26
Sadhguru: Lot means what?
71:27
Julie Gichuru: Interestingly enough, we have high voter turnout.
71:29
Sadhguru: How much? Sixty-seventy percent,
71:30
what’s your voting?
71:32
Julie Gichuru: Above, actually. Yes,
71:34
it’s seventy-five percent,
71:35
yes
71:36
Sadhguru: Good.
71:37
Julie Gichuru: …which is possibly in the world is one of the most involved...
71:39
Sadhguru: Once seventy-five percent of the people start voting,
71:42
this means you will get the leader that you want.
71:44
This is what changed in India.
71:46
Our voting percetages...
71:48
percentages were just hovering around fifty.
71:50
The moment it lead...
71:52
led to over seventy percent voting,
71:54
I think we’re getting leaders that we want, slowly.
71:57
We’re getting that (Laughs).
71:58
Julie Gichuru: So the problem we still have –
72:00
and I want your comment on this, please Sadhguru –
72:03
is the fact that for us,
72:04
the vote almost has become so important that
72:09
the next person’s rights become irrelevant,
72:12
and what I want and how I want it.
72:14
Hakiyatu, isn’t it?
72:16
But not hakiyako.
72:17
Hakiyatu is my rights
72:18
but we don’t say your rights too.
72:20
We almost feel like we… you know, we are...
72:22
we can trample on your rights to get ours.
72:25
What do we do in a society like this,
72:27
how do we re...
72:28
rebalance?
72:31
Sadhguru: See, I know
72:34
when people spoke about civil rights,
72:37
they spoke about it in an extreme condition of
72:41
apartheid
72:42
or in an extreme condition of injustice that was happening,
72:45
that’s a different thing.
72:47
But in any society,
72:49
the moment you talk about your rights,
72:53
the moment you talk about your freedom,
72:56
I think you’re heading for ruin anyway
72:59
because you have freedom
73:04
only to the extent you’re responsible.
73:07
Instead of talking about,
73:10
“What is my responsibility in making this happen?”
73:13
if you think, “What is my right?” –
73:14
all you’re seeing is how to milk your society or your nation
73:18
to your benefit.
73:20
It’s not going to work.
73:22
Then once we start milking,
73:25
there will be somebody else,
73:27
who is capable of milking it better than you.
73:30
When he milks it better than you,
73:32
you say,
73:32
“Oh, he is doing wrong things.”
73:34
No, no, he’s doing it better than you,
73:37
that’s all (Laughter).
73:41
So, my essential work in the last twenty years has been with leadership –
73:48
various levels of leadership,
73:49
business leadership,
73:51
bureaucratic leadership
73:52
and social leadership
73:53
and political leadership.
73:55
My work has been largely to move people
73:59
from their personal ambitions to a larger vision
74:02
because what ambition means is,
74:06
you have tweaked up your desire
74:08
but you have not tweaked up your competence.
74:13
You don’t have to worry about tweaking your desire,
74:16
human beings should only focus on tweaking their competence.
74:22
But right from their childhood –
74:23
I don’t know what you’re telling your children –
74:25
right from their childhood,
74:27
in every family,
74:28
they’re telling them,
74:29
“You must become this,
74:30
you must become that.”
74:32
No.
74:34
You must only see how a child is empowered
74:36
by competence and knowledge and capability.
74:40
When this capability is there,
74:42
he will do whatever is needed.
74:45
“No, no, I’ve already decided
74:47
this is what I will do.
74:48
Nobody needs it, it doesn’t matter, this is what I will do.”
74:52
So right now (Laughs),
74:55
I was just joking with them...
74:56
You know, we are...
74:57
we are running crematoriums in India
74:59
because I saw that they were in such a bad shape,
75:01
so we took that up.
75:03
It’s an important service when...
75:04
because everybody dies one day.
75:06
And the way it happens there is so clumsy,
75:09
so I thought I’ll take this most unpopular thing.
75:12
They said,
75:12
“Sadhguru, why have you taken this?
75:14
This is not good,
75:15
this is very negative.”
75:16
So I said,
75:17
“See, if you go like this,
75:19
I’m going to brand it –
75:20
‘Isha crematoriums,
75:21
everybody is a customer’” (Laughter/Applause).
75:29
Julie Gichuru: Did they then stop bothering you?
75:32
Sadhguru: Yeah (Laughs),
75:35
See, we have decided what is better than something.
75:40
Once you do this...
75:42
I must tell you this.
75:45
When my girl was growing up,
75:48
she travelled with me wherever I went
75:50
and even as an infant,
75:52
one thing I told everybody is,
75:54
“Don’t anybody try to teach her anything.
75:58
No A-B-C,
75:59
no one-two-three,
76:00
no languages,
76:01
no what is right, what is wrong.
76:03
Don’t teach her anything.
76:04
Just leave her alone.”
76:06
I made sure she’s exposed to every kind of people.
76:10
I stayed in the poorest of homes, you know,
76:13
in tribal huts,
76:15
I stayed in the best possible homes in the world,
76:18
all kinds of things,
76:19
which gave her a sense of balance about people.
76:22
Even today, anywhere you put her,
76:23
she is just comfortable.
76:25
With so much ease with any class of society,
76:28
she managed.
76:29
And I made sure
76:31
nobody teaches her anything.
76:33
So when she was around thirteen years of age,
76:35
she came up to me
76:36
and she was emotionally disturbed about something.
76:40
So she came up to me and said,
76:42
“You’re teaching everybody something,
76:44
not telling me anything.”
76:46
I... I wanted that moment to come (Laughs).
76:49
I didn’t want to be a teacher to her.
76:52
So I said,
76:53
“See, this is all you have to learn,
76:55
this is all –
76:57
never look up to anybody.”
76:59
She looked at me.
77:00
I said, “Even me.
77:02
Never look up to anybody.
77:04
Never look down on anybody.
77:06
This is all.
77:08
Once you don’t look up to anything
77:11
nor look down on anything,
77:12
you will see everything the way it is.”
77:15
When you see everything the way it is,
77:18
you will navigate through this life effortlessly (Applause).
77:25
The moment...
77:27
The moment you look up to something,
77:28
you will exaggerate it.
77:30
When you look down on something,
77:32
you’ll exaggerate the negative about it.
77:34
If you don’t look up or look down,
77:37
you will see everything just the way it is
77:39
and that’s all that’s needed.
77:41
For every solution...
77:43
For every problem that is there,
77:45
to find solutions,
77:46
all that is necessary is
77:48
we are able to see it just the way it is.
77:53
But right now,
77:54
we are thinking our problem is of our politicians.
77:58
No, no,
77:59
that politician was just one of us yesterday.
78:02
Today, he’s taken the trouble of getting there.
78:05
You sat in the comfort of your home
78:07
and commenting endlessly (Few laugh).
78:09
You are a running commentary about everything (Both laugh).
78:12
Julie Gichuru: Right
78:13
but making bad tea, yeah (Laughter).
78:18
True,
78:19
true.
78:20
So I’m bringing us back for a moment to family, Sadhguru.
78:23
And one of the things happening in Kenya,
78:25
with much of our young society,
78:28
is that we have a lot of single families.
78:30
Do...
78:31
How many single parent families?
78:32
How many people are aware of this happening in society today?
78:35
Lot of women are left with the burden of
78:37
bringing up children and struggling through
78:40
and it’s really very sad.
78:41
And I remember,
78:42
I’m looking back at
78:43
when I first got married and you know,
78:45
you get very few lessons on marriage.
78:47
You kind of get in and you have to kind of figure it out, right (Sadhguru laughs)?
78:52
And in many ways,
78:53
it took some time to understand that exactly
78:55
what you told us,
78:56
when you know unconditional love comes from your partner,
79:00
everything is solvable.
79:01
And so you put that first and you build up and you build up.
79:04
And lot of young families seem to be going in
79:06
without the tools to get through those really difficult,
79:10
tough times.
79:11
Sometimes they don’t even get to the point of...
79:13
of marriage and family.
79:14
What advice would you give young people courting,
79:17
or young people in a situation
79:19
where they feel alone and abandoned
79:21
and they’re wondering,
79:22
“What’s gone wrong,
79:23
how do I get it right the next time maybe?”
79:27
Sadhguru: Oh (Laughs)!
79:28
Julie Gichuru: Love is important, right?
79:30
Sadhguru: Yes.
79:31
A lot of young people are watching this,
79:33
so I’m just thinking because (Laughs)
79:36
they are having, you know,
79:37
eleven love affairs right now on the Facebook,
79:42
okay.
79:43
Julie Gichuru: On Facebook (Laughter/Applause)?
79:45
Sadhguru: Yeah. They’re trying parallel eleven different love affairs,
79:49
hoping one of them will fall into place.
79:54
We need to understand that
79:56
certain... certain things don’t get better with practice (Laughter/Applause).
80:10
It is...
80:11
It is
80:12
When men and women came together in marriage –
80:16
I’m talking about another time,
80:17
not to the current population,
80:19
I am talking about another time,
80:20
all the oldies who’re here (Laughter) –
80:22
when men and women came together in marriage,
80:26
they knew nothing about anything about each other.
80:30
Even looking at a woman directly was a taboo.
80:33
And now for the first time,
80:34
they looked at this woman,
80:36
everything was new and fresh,
80:38
there was so much excitement,
80:40
there was so much coming together,
80:41
there was so much exploration and discovery.
80:44
Though for millions of years,
80:46
people have done the same damn thing (Laughter),
80:49
still for that individual,
80:51
everything was fresh and new
80:54
and it was shared just between the two of them
80:56
and all this stuff.
80:59
This made it last.
81:01
Now, before you come to marriage,
81:03
you’ve seen too much of life.
81:07
And you...
81:07
In your mind, you’re comparing one and the other.
81:11
Now, long-term commitment becomes difficult.
81:17
People come together either out of helplessness or greed
81:21
most of the time
81:23
because there are...
81:25
it’s a mutual benefit scheme (Laughter).
81:28
Julie Gichuru: Wow!
81:28
Back to...
81:29
Back to the economics of it.
81:30
Sadhguru: Yes (Laughs). No,
81:31
not just economics,
81:33
there are needs in a human being.
81:34
There is a physical need,
81:36
there is a psychological need,
81:38
there’s an emotional need,
81:39
social needs,
81:40
economic needs,
81:41
all kinds of needs.
81:42
To fulfill these needs, you make a deal.
81:47
If you live with a deal,
81:49
it’s invariably going to be ugly.
81:52
Deals are made and pick up what you want and go home,
81:56
then it’s okay.
81:57
What do you say, Manubhai (Laughter)?
82:01
You make a deal,
82:02
you make your money and go home to a place which means something to you.
82:07
When you’re making deals at home,
82:09
then it becomes ugly because there’s no place to go.
82:12
Or you’ll find a place to go (Laughter/Applause).
82:20
Julie Gichuru: Ladies and gentlemen,
82:21
I’m going to come to you in just a moment
82:23
because we do want to take your questions with Sadhguru as well.
82:27
I must ask you,
82:28
this is your first trip to Africa?
82:29
Sadhguru: No, no, I’ve been...
82:31
Julie Gichuru: Oh, it’s...
82:32
Oh, you’ve been before?
82:33
Sadhguru: Yes, I’ve been in Kenya for three weeks at one time.
82:36
Julie Gichuru: Oh, what do you think of the country?
82:37
Sadhguru: Oh, I...
82:39
It was fantastic
82:40
because I only met your animals (Laughter).
82:47
Julie Gichuru: That’s terrible,
82:48
they say we are the warmest people in the world (Laughs).
82:50
Sadhguru: No, no, I’m not... I’m not saying people are terrible...
82:54
I said I met only the animals and it was fantastic.
82:56
This time, I’ve come to meet the people (Laughs) (Applause).
83:00
I’m not on a safari this time (Laughs).
83:02
Julie Gichuru: Well done, well done.
83:03
I’m looking at hands now for questions for Sadhguru.
83:07
Can I see any?
83:09
I know your hands will be up later.
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I see there’s one there.
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Great, a lady over there
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and if you could run across with the mike.
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As we’re getting the mike there,
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I see people scrambling...
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Sadhguru: This is a very bad level of prejudice.
83:27
This young man raised his hand first
83:29
but you only pick up the lady (Laughter).
83:30
Julie Gichuru: Oh, no! Where are you?
83:31
Where are you?
83:31
I didn’t see you,
83:32
I’m so sorry (Laughter).
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Sadhguru: It’s all right (Laughs).
83:36
Julie Gichuru: I promise you that you are next.
83:37
I promise that you are next (Both laugh).
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Participant: ____ (Unclear)
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Julie Gichuru: Ah, yes. I see hands.
83:42
Thank you, thank you, excellent.
83:44
And the mike is...
83:46
the mikes are coming down here.
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Wonderful!
83:48
I want to get as many questions for him,
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I know people have come far and wide to ask,
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so thank you.
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We’ll start then with the gentleman since...
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Sadhguru: No, no, you... The lady can ask, it’s fine.
84:00
I just...
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I’m just pointing out to you (Laughter).
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Julie Gichuru: Okay, we’ve got it,
84:04
we’ve got it (Laughs).
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Thank you, go ahead, go ahead.
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Questioner (Ria Sharma): Namaskaram Sadhguru,
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my name is Ria Sharma
84:09
and I had the privilege to interview you on behalf of East FM.
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Sadhguru: Oh (Laughs)!
84:15
Questioner (Ria Sharma): Yes,
84:15
I’m indeed very honored,
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very humbled to be in your presence this evening.
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My question is about yoga
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and of course, Inter...
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ahead of International Day,
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we’re very privileged to have you here in Nairobi.
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My question is about the benefits of yoga,
84:29
which everybody talks about,
84:32
and you know, everybody knows that
84:35
yoga has great benefits for the inner well-being as well as the external.
84:39
However, in Nairobi,
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with all due respect to certain people,
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who are in the craft,
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I notice that housewives overnight turn into yoga gurus
84:48
because they watch some DVDs,
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they watch a few programs on TV
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and then decide to start teaching yoga.
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Sadhguru: Oh really (Laughter)?
84:56
Questioner (Ria Sharma): Yes.
84:57
And that is of course a big concern because
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people do understand the benefits of yoga
85:03
but they don’t understand
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that if you’re going to be training under somebody
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who’s not quite qualified in the craft,
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what are the disadvantages.
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So I’d possibly please request you to highlight
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what the disadvantages of practicing with –
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I’m sorry, the term may sound harsh –
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but a quack yoga teacher would be?
85:20
Thank you.
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Julie Gichuru: So harsh.
85:22
I just thought so harsh (Laughs).
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Sadhguru: They’re all ladies, she said (Laughter).
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Julie Gichuru: Oh (Laughter)!
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Sadhguru: Let me...
85:36
Let me clear this a little bit
85:38
because one thing is,
85:39
as you said,
85:41
yoga is not a craft.
85:45
As there is a science and technology
85:50
to create external well-being
85:53
There is an understanding of external situations, which we call as science,
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and a technology or a methodology
85:59
through which we can create external well-being.
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Right now,
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this hall is... you know,
86:06
we’re controlling the climate with conditioning.
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Outside climates can be controlled like this.
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What about the inner climate?
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So the technology to create the inner climate,
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to create the inner ambience of who we are is yoga.
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It’s a science and a technology at the same time.
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There’s an exploration and there’s a method.
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The dangers of not doing it properly are many –
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I don’t want to explore that now,
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so close to the International Day of Yoga
86:41
and put off people (Laughs).
86:45
But we must understand,
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when we say yoga,
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however innocuous it may look,
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whatever the practice that is being taught,
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it always has a spiritual dimension attached to it.
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I don’t know if...
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It’s okay if I tell you my own story?
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Julie Gichuru: Please, please, that’s why we’re here.
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Sadhguru: How I... How I got into the yoga for the wrong reasons (Laughter)
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This happened when I was just twelve years of age.
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I was in my ancestral home,
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my grandfather’s place.
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This’s a place, where all we kids have assembled from many cities
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for our vacation time.
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So one of the sport for the boys is
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to jump into a well, which is about eight feet in diameter
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and about hundred-and-fifty feet in depth.
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Because we always went there in summers,
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the water is down by about sixty feet drop or seventy feet drop, in that range.
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So, we want to jump in.
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You have to jump in properly,
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if you go somehow,
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your brains will become a smear on the wall (Laughter).
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And there is no steps, or grip or anything –
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just holding the rock, you want to come up.
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It was hard.
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And just the sheer pressure of it would make my fingers
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all my fingernails bleed
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because all my weight is at the tip of my fingers.
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And I was pretty good at this.
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One day, we’re doing this
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and a man, who is over seventy years of age,
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was watching us.
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Of course, we ignored him.
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He was too old to be alive in our experience (Laughter) of life.
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Not now,
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I’m saying at that time (Laughter),
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when I thought even twenty is too old (Laughs).
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So this man, without uttering a word,
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went and jumped into the well.
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I thought he’s finished (Few laugh).
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But he came up faster than me
88:52
and I didn’t like it (Laughter).
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So I asked him, “How?”
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He said, “Come and do yoga.”
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I followed him like a puppy.
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So I’m saying I got into it for all the wrong reasons
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but somehow this became so much a part of me,
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I did not even think of doing it
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but not a single morning ever passed without yoga happening.
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I’m using the word “yoga happening”
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because when I look back and see,
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I never made up my mind,
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“I must do this.”
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It simply took me over from inside
89:30
and things happened like this.
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And a...
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twelve years later,
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something so phenomenal happened to me
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that everything changed.
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Why I’m saying this is,
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the nature of this existence is such,
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even for the wrong easons if you do the right things,
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right things will happen to you.
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That’s how world is made,
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that’s how the creation is made (Applause).
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So,
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doing it right is very important
89:59
because there’re many dimensions attached to it.
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I went into yoga only for physical prowess.
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After I got into it, I came to know
90:09
there were other aspects to it,
90:12
which were psychological or mental.
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So, physical and mental prowess, this is all my thing.
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I never imagined,
90:19
nor did I ever know there’s another dimension to it altogether.
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But there is always that dimension to it.
90:29
So when we transmit yoga,
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there is a spiritual element to it.
90:33
This is the reason,
90:34
for example, now for this International Yoga Day,
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when we teach,
90:39
the Isha Foundation does not teach yoga in such large scale, ever.
90:44
We teach what is called as Upa-Yoga.
90:47
The word Upa-Yoga literally means
90:50
either sub-yoga
90:51
or pre-yoga.
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For in... In Indian languages,
90:55
today the word upayog is being used as something useful.
91:01
But actually, the word originates from this,
91:04
that we made yoga in such a way,
91:06
we took out that aspect of yoga,
91:08
which has physiological and psychological benefits
91:12
but no spiritual element to it.
91:14
When we’re transmitting sol… such large scale,
91:16
it’s best to do it that way.
91:18
And now that she mentioned this
91:22
and you are interested in children with your footprint (Laughs) –
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about four months ago,
91:28
it came to my notice that
91:30
a little over 9000 children committed suicide in India,
91:35
below eighteen years of age.
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In the age groups of ten to fourteen,
91:42
1700 children committed suicide in the last one year.
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When I heard this...
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See,
91:52
no life does not value its own life.
91:56
You try to catch an ant,
91:58
it will do everything possible to save its own life.
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It does not think,
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“Ahh, this is just an ant’s life, let it go.”
92:05
There’s no such thing.
92:06
Every life intrinsically values itself as the highest thing, isn’t it?
92:13
But a child
92:15
A child is an exuberant life,
92:19
a child is a bundle of joy,
92:21
a child is a fresh life.
92:24
If a child wants to take his own life or her own life,
92:28
then we are doing something fundamentally wrong with our lives, isn’t it?
92:33
Something very fundamentally wrong in a society,
92:36
if children start committing suicide.
92:39
I want all of you to look at it this way.
92:42
It’s not like statistics.
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9000 whatever is not a number.
92:46
Suppose in our lives,
92:48
our children in our home committed suicide,
92:51
below fourteen years of age,
92:53
can you ever overcome that, I’m asking?
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If they died of disease,
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or accident
93:01
or something,
93:03
that itself is difficult
93:04
but somehow we will come out of that.
93:07
But if they commit…if they took their own life,
93:09
we clearly, clearly know
93:11
we’ve done something fundamentally wrong, isn’t it?
93:15
So we should know
93:17
we’re doing something fundamentally wrong in a society,
93:20
when children start taking their own lives.
93:23
So when I heard this,
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it was deeply disturbing –
93:26
why are our children killing themselves?
93:29
Then I said...
93:31
Off the cuff,
93:32
I said,
93:33
“We must touch at least 10,000 schools
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and bring Upa-Yoga to their life.”
93:37
On that day, 10,000 looked like a big number.
93:41
Then I travelled these nine states
93:42
and met all the Chief Ministers
93:44
and the Education Ministers
93:45
and things like that.
93:47
All of them responded with such enthusiasm.
93:50
For this Yoga Day,
93:51
in the next two months,
93:54
we are initiating Upa-Yoga in over 30,000 schools (Applause).
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And the significant aspect of this is,
94:06
we are not training the children,
94:09
we are training the teach...
94:10
We... Our own teachers,
94:12
we have trained 45,600 teachers.
94:14
These teachers are imparting this to the schoolteachers.
94:18
In every school, two to three teachers are being trained.
94:20
Above all,
94:21
we made an elaborate video.
94:22
For a twenty-minute practice,
94:24
we made an elaborate video
94:26
about showing how it should happen.
94:29
So, these newly trained teachers
94:31
will only correct the practice.
94:34
They will not literally teach the practice.
94:36
All they have to do is they have to correct.
94:38
We train them for a day
94:40
to understand what are all the wrong things that people can do and correction.
94:43
And these children will go through this just not for one day.
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Five days of the week, through the entire year,
94:51
probably for their en... entire school time,
94:53
this will go on
94:55
and we’re trying to also involve parents wherever we can.
94:58
Teaching yoga irresponsibly,
95:01
if you...
95:02
Right now,
95:03
this is the most important need, that is...
95:07
See, in terms of external technologies,
95:09
we’ve hit the ceiling, all right?
95:10
Whether you buy your iPhone Z8 or not –
95:14
that’s the next model coming up (Laughter) –
95:20
you still don’t know how to use your iPhone 4 fully (Laughter).
95:25
That’s a fact, believe me.
95:28
You’ve still not explored the full range of things
95:31
that damn thing can do.
95:33
Yes or no?
95:34
Too many things.
95:35
So whether the next level of phone comes
95:38
or computer comes is not the issue.
95:41
Upgrading human beings is the most important thing
95:44
that needs to happen in the world (Applause).
95:51
So in this effort,
95:52
this International Yoga Day I see has been a phenomenal step –
95:56
mooted by our Prime Minister
95:59
but United Nations took this up.
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So these things that we have,
96:04
if I can elaborate on this a bit...
96:06
See, human intellect is sparking like never before.
96:11
Never before in the history of humanity,
96:14
this many people could think for themselves.
96:18
Yes?
96:20
Now once this happens,
96:21
logical questions arise.
96:24
Once logical questions arise,
96:26
so many things which were taken for granted,
96:29
which kept people in some kind of control within themselves –
96:33
if not liberated,
96:34
at least controlled (Laughs) within themselves –
96:37
is all going to collapse.
96:39
Heavenly solutions will collapse, believe me.
96:42
No, I am not talking about you guys up there (Laughter).
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That’s quite safe (Laughter).
96:48
When people start asking questions,
96:51
heavens will crumble.
96:52
It’s bound to happen.
96:54
If you don’t pull it down,
96:56
your children will. Believe me.
96:58
Things that you believe,
97:00
your children refuse to believe.
97:02
Yes or no?
97:03
Because unless it makes logical sense to them,
97:06
they’re not going to take it.
97:07
Whatever the authority,
97:09
you can say the scripture says this,
97:11
you can say god said this,
97:12
you can say somebody said this,
97:16
they’re not going to take it unless it makes sense to them.
97:19
This is a very positive development in the world
97:22
because this means truth will be our authority,
97:26
authority will never be the truth.
97:28
This is the future of the world (Applause).
97:32
So, this International Yoga Day is
97:36
just at the right time,
97:38
And when the Prime Minister mooted this idea,
97:41
as it was...
97:42
as she was saying, hundred-and-seventy-seven countries
97:45
came together,
97:46
it was almost like the world was waiting for it.
97:49
It was waiting for India to take a step
97:52
but we took such a long time because you know,
97:54
we are a little large nation (Laughter),
97:56
we take time to take steps (Laughs).
97:59
But it was almost like the entire world was waiting
98:03
for somebody to say this
98:06
because everybody knows –
98:08
they may not have consciously addressed it
98:11
but everybody knows –
98:13
tools for self-transformation are needed.
98:16
And tools for self-transformation
98:19
should not be in the hands of a guru,
98:21
or an organization
98:23
or some other higher authority somewhere.
98:26
No.
98:28
Tools for self-transformation will… should be in the hands of every individual.
98:31
I’m asking you a simple question,
98:33
don’t feel offended.
98:34
Did lo…all of you brush your teeth today (Laughter)?
98:38
Hello?
98:38
Participants: Yes.
98:40
Sadhguru: Yes. This is because
98:43
you have your own brush.
98:46
The instrument necessary for cleaning your oral hygiene,
98:50
to take care of that,
98:51
you have it.
98:52
Suppose it was in the hands of the Kenyan government (Laughter),
98:57
they fixed up in hundred different places in Nairobi
99:01
you can go and have your teeth brushed (Laughter),
99:05
probably you would do it once a month (Laughter).
99:08
Yes or no?
99:10
Because you have to stand in a line to have your teeth cleaned up.
99:14
Only because it’s in your hands,
99:17
as it’s necessary you will take care of it,
99:19
isn’t it?
99:20
Similarly,
99:22
tools for transformation,
99:23
which are logically correct,
99:26
scientifically ascertainable,
99:28
these kind of tools for transformation,
99:30
which does not demand any philosophical adherence,
99:34
which does not demand belief system,
99:38
which does not come from any authority,
99:40
but from your own understanding of your system,
99:44
this is needed for the world.
99:46
The time is very ripe
99:47
because human intellect is sparking like never before.
99:50
You can’t bring or so-called well-being
99:54
by telling them a philosophy.
99:56
It’s not going to work.
99:59
It’s already not working.
100:00
Because it’s not working,
100:01
you see a rapid movement of people seeking chemical solutions.
100:08
To be peaceful means have a drink in the evening.
100:10
It’s become a norm.
100:13
I’m asking all of you,
100:14
whatever your age,
100:15
in the last twenty-five years,
100:18
don’t you see
100:20
at least a five-hundred percent increase in the
100:23
consumption of alcohol and drugs and psychiatric prescriptions?
100:31
This means
100:32
we are moving towards madness (Laughter).
100:37
Yes.
100:40
See,
100:41
for example
100:44
a maximum period or a longest period of economic well-being compared to any other society in the world.
100:51
But today, thirty-nine percent of the European population is under psychiatric prescription… medication.
100:59
Three-hundred-and-fifty-million people,
101:01
year-on-year,
101:02
they are consuming prescription medications for psychiatric problems.
101:08
So, with economic well-being,
101:10
there is no guarantee that you will get human well-being.
101:13
If human...
101:14
If economic well-being has to translate into human well-being,
101:17
you need tools for transformation within every individual
101:21
because
101:23
the possibility of economic well-being taking us to ruin
101:27
is very much glaring in our face.
101:30
In pursuit of human well-being,
101:33
we’ve ripped the planet apart, isn’t it?
101:35
Just today afternoon they were telling me
101:37
that only seven percent of Kenya is under forest cover.
101:43
Oh my god,
101:44
I’m...
101:44
Believe me,
101:45
everybody in the world believed
101:47
Kenya means ninety percent forest and Nairobi (Laughter).
101:53
Yes (Laughs).
101:55
That is the image everybody has.
101:57
But they told me seven percent.
101:59
That is...
102:00
That is horrific, I’m telling you.
102:03
It's not a simple tragedy.
102:05
You don’t know what is the kind of disaster
102:09
that...
102:09
disaster that can evolve out of seven percent green cover in any nation.
102:15
In a continent,
102:16
which everybody believes is full of jungles,
102:19
full of nature,
102:21
full of wildlife –
102:22
everybody believes this –
102:24
if only seven percent under green cover,
102:26
that’s tragic.
102:27
Even India is better than this.
102:31
With the kind of population pressure we have,
102:33
even the percentages of green cover in India is
102:35
way better than this.
102:38
So, when we go like this,
102:40
we must understand,
102:42
for a long time we looked up in search of well-being.
102:46
People became delusional.
102:48
And my delusion and your delusion fought battles
102:52
and wars and still going on.
102:53
Many people can’t give it up yet (Laughs).
102:56
Yes?
102:57
Now, from heaven,
102:59
we shifted our focus to get our well-being from outside.
103:03
Once our focus shifted to the outside world,
103:07
we started ripping it.
103:08
Don’t think there is some other reason.
103:11
It is all in pursuit of human well-being, isn’t it?
103:15
Everything we have done is in pursuit of human well-being.
103:18
But in the last hundred years,
103:20
though we have ripped the planet bald –
103:25
not because of age,
103:26
simply because we plucked it out –
103:29
have we achieved well-being, I’m asking you?
103:33
They’re telling me
103:34
the world food industry is 7.6 trillion dollars.
103:38
The pharmaceutical industry is 7.2 trillion dollars
103:43
and the
103:44
By the end of 2017,
103:46
they say pharmaceutical industry will be bigger than the food industry.
103:50
That means we’re eating more medicine than food.
103:53
We can’t claim we’re well.
103:57
Julie Gichuru: It’s so frightening. You know,
103:59
I thought the big question I’d be asking as we close was,
104:02
how do we stop talking at each other
104:04
and start speaking to each other?
104:06
But now, I’ve seen there are so many other levels of things
104:08
that we need to do.
104:10
We’re going to come back to that
104:12
but first I’ll go to the young man now.
104:13
I think you’ve got the mike, do you?
104:15
It’ll come to you in a moment,
104:17
it’s a just behind you.
104:18
Please go ahead.
104:19
Are we a bit frightened after that insight?
104:22
Participants: Yes.
104:24
Questioner (Jimmy): Hello. Hi. Good evening, sir.
104:26
My name is Jimmy and I have two questions. Basically,
104:31
I don’t know much about...
104:32
Sadhguru: Hey, I’m a simple guy, ask one at a time (Laughter).
104:36
Questioner (Jimmy): So I’ll shoot away with the first one.
104:40
You know so much about the universe,
104:42
I’ve seen a lot of your videos on YouTube
104:45
and you’ve talked about geometry and I saw that video.
104:50
The largest telescope upon earth is not able to get a picture of the nearby galaxy,
104:57
it’s so far.
104:58
So I wanted to ask you
104:59
why did god make things,
105:01
which are not even visible to human beings,
105:04
or we’re not able to travel there?
105:07
Julie Gichuru: That’s a tough one.
105:10
Sadhguru: Okay.
105:11
That... That is a clear message to you
105:12
that the universe was not made for you (Laughter/Applause).
105:22
Not just other galaxies,
105:26
maximum amount of life on this planet itself
105:29
you are incapable of even seeing it.
105:33
Yes.
105:35
Because maximum amount of life on this planet is microscopic actually.
105:41
Yes?
105:42
Do you know,
105:43
just on your facial skin,
105:45
there are eighteen-billion bacteria right now crawling around (Laughter)?
105:50
Really.
105:52
Aren’t you glad you don’t see it (Laughter)?
105:58
So this idea...
106:00
this idea that
106:03
existence is human centric
106:06
has caused the maximum amount to damage.
106:11
We believing
106:12
that this creation were made for me to enjoy this,
106:17
to exploit this...
106:20
Our science, as we know it,
106:21
is just this –
106:23
how to use everything in the universe for our well-being.
106:29
Well,
106:29
we have learnt how to use even an invisible atom.
106:34
Do you know,
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nobody has seen an atom,
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even in an electron microscope?
106:39
Nobody has seen it
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but we know how to use it.
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We know (Laughs) how to make a bomb out of it (Laughter).
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So, we have learnt to use everything including human beings
106:52
but we have not come to well-being, isn’t it?
106:57
All this aspiration,
106:58
only in pursuit of well-being
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but well-being has not happened.
107:02
Because you must understand,
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human experience is generated from within you.
107:09
Whether it’s joy or misery,
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it happens from within you.
107:12
Agony or ecstasy happens from within you.
107:14
Everything that you ever know happens from within you.
107:17
Everything that you ever experienced happens from within you.
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At least what is happening from within you (Laughs)
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must happen the way you want it, isn’t it (Laughs)?
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Right now, we’re talking too much about
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the world not happening your way.
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I am glad the world is not happening your way (Laughs)
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because if the world happens your way,
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where do I go, hmm (Laughter)?
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The world is like this,
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it happens little bit my way,
107:45
little bit your way,
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little bit somebody else’s way,
107:48
it’s all right.
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But right now, the biggest problem is,
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this one (Referring to oneself) is not happening your way.
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That is the big problem, isn’t it?
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If this one (Referring to oneself),
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yourself,
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if you happened hundred percent the way you want yourself to be,
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would you keep yourself bliss... blissful or miserable?
108:08
The upper regions must tell me (Laughter) –
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blissful or miserable?
108:14
You must...
108:15
Everybody must say something,
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I’m going to bless you right now (Laughter).
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Blissful.
108:22
This...
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Your choice for yourself is very clear,
108:25
that you want highest level of pleasantness.
108:29
What you want for your neighbor may be debatable (Laughter)
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but what you want for yourself is very clear to you.
108:36
But why is it not happening?
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Simply because
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it’s not in the direction which you’re looking,
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that’s all.
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Instead of turning inward,
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you’re trying to fix your happiness by fixing the world.
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Fix it as much as you want,
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this (Referring to oneself) will not get fixed.
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If this (Referring to oneself) wants to... has to be fixed, this has to turn inward.
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This is what yoga means.
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Tools for transformation means transforming yourself,
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not fixing somebody else.
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A revolution … You know, like at one time,
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we said (Laughs)
109:08
For Isha, this is what it used to be –
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“Welcome to the silent revolution of self-realization.”
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People’s idea of a revolution is –
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“I want you to change.”
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“I want you to change”
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is the source of all the problem on the planet, isn’t it?
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“I am willing to change” –
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this is a revolution.
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If you say,
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“I am willing to change…”
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In your home,
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in your workplace,
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in your society,
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in your country,
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you say, “I am willing to change for what needs to happen”,
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now this is a revolution
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and it’s a silent revolution.
109:49
You don’t have to slaughter anybody,
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you don’t have to set fire to something,
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you don’t have to burn down things,
109:56
you don’t have to pull down people.
109:58
Change will happen
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as everything happens in nature and in existence.
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All the most fantastic changes that happened in creation,
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are happening quietly, isn’t it?
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Yes?
110:13
Though they talked about a big bang,
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you never had the bang (Laughter).
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It happened quietly, everything.
110:19
Flowers blossomed quietly.
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You are born – such a big happening –
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even that happened quietly.
110:26
Though your mother might have screamed a bit (Laughter)
110:28
but it happened quietly.
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But everything significant
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Planet is spinning quietly,
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sun is coming up quietly, isn’t it?
110:37
Everything that’s of greatest significance in the universe
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is happening quietly.
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Self-transformation also happens that way.
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Only thing is it needs to be focused in the right direction.
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Right now, we want to fix everybody and everything around us.
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We don’t want to transform this (Referring to oneself)
110:57
but the world...
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People are talking about world peace,
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world transformation.
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There is no world.
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There is only you and me, isn’t it?
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If you and me change,
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the world has changed.
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Julie Gichuru: You know, that’s such a powerful message –
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stop pointing at everybody else
111:13
and point within,
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start within,
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transform within.
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Sadhguru: Now immediately, the Indians think,
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“Sadhguru, where should I go?”
111:23
You also come from that part,
111:24
your...
111:25
at least your father does (Laughter). You...
111:26
“Should I go to Himalayas,
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should I go and stay in a cave?”
111:30
For your information, all caves are taken long time ago (Laughter/Applause).
111:38
There is no cave accommodation left,
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so you don’t have to go to any cave (Laughs).
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You have to turn inward
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because whether you go to Himalayas or drown in the ocean,
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you’re still the same person, isn’t it?
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Julie Gichuru: Do it where you are,
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start where you are.
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Sadhguru: Ohh. You can start it wherever you are (Laughs),
112:01
not where you are because again they will think,
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“Sadhguru, I was not in Nairobi,
112:05
so I didn’t do my yoga” (Laughter).
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Julie Gichuru: Start wherever you are (Sadhguru laughs)
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Sadhguru: Yeah.
112:12
Julie Gichuru: …it just doesn’t matter.
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I’m going to apologize to you
112:14
because I see there were hands up
112:16
and I’m sure there are hands on this side,
112:17
so I’m going to ask for the mike to come this way,
112:19
I’m going to ask for another mike to head upstairs.
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Yes,
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there’s one there
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. The lady in pink, please?
112:23
And here.
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Yes,
112:25
I see a hand at the back and one at the front.
112:27
Thank you.
112:30
Sadhguru: I find you highly prejudiced.
112:32
Julie Gichuru: Oh no! Who did I miss this time?
112:35
Sadhguru: You... You choose… You choose… You choose a lady and also pink (Laughter).
112:40
Julie Gichuru: It’s because you look so vibrant from here.
112:43
Honestly, so beautiful. Go ahead.
112:45
Questioner: Thank you very much.
112:47
With lot of respect, I’d like to ask...
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I loved your topic,
112:52
the future of the feminine.
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And very beginning,
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you changed it,
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it wasn’t anything to do with the woman,
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it was to do with the feminine.
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And you acknowledged the hardships women take
113:05
in showing their masculine side.
113:08
I would love to hear a little bit more about
113:11
what you meant, future of the feminine,
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because when men behave slightly feminine,
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we discriminate them,
113:18
we call them gayish.
113:19
There’s lots of things
113:21
I think that we need to learn from you about
113:24
what is masculine,
113:25
what is feminine,
113:26
nothing to do with the gender.
113:28
Julie Gichuru: Let’s come back to that
113:30
and I have heard you speak about that before in different engagements.
113:34
And it is true that
113:35
when a man embraces the feminine inside him,
113:39
he’s attacked for it (Sadhguru laughs).
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Yeah,
113:43
so it’s a difficult situation, you know?
113:46
So let’s talk a little more about that,
113:48
let’s explore that.
113:49
Sadhguru: No, when a man expresses the feminine in him,
113:55
people admire him,
113:57
hugely.
113:58
If he acts like a female,
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then they make fun of him (Few laugh).
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Let’s understand this clearly
114:04
because we... we are tending to mistake
114:08
feminine and female.
114:11
We are here today,
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you and me and everybody else is here today,
114:16
we exist
114:18
because a man and woman came together.
114:21
Maybe some... I’m
114:22
If you had a natural birth, I’m saying (Laughter).
114:27
Suppose a stork dropped you,
114:29
I don’t know about you (Laughter).
114:32
I am a natural...
114:33
My mother had a natural birth, so
114:36
We are here because a man and woman came together.
114:39
Now that you’re sitting here as a woman,
114:42
does it mean to say
114:45
that your father does not exist within you?
114:50
He’s an Indian guy,
114:52
you can’t obliterate him so easily (Laughter).
114:56
Julie Gichuru: No,
114:57
I definitely...
114:58
Sadhguru: Very much there within you, isn’t it?
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Now that I am sitting here as a man,
115:02
does it mean to say my mother doesn’t exist within me?
115:06
Definitely she does, isn’t it?
115:08
So, just thinking
115:12
getting identified with a few reproductive organs
115:15
and making a big affair of
115:17
being a man or a woman has to stop.
115:20
This is coming from a certain crudeness of existence
115:24
because
115:25
people’s minds have been corrupted by...
115:31
by philosophies and ideologies,
115:34
which told you what is pure,
115:35
what is impure,
115:37
what is okay,
115:37
what is not okay,
115:38
what is good,
115:39
what is not good.
115:40
So they’re only thinking about certain body parts.
115:45
Why is it even important to recognize somebody
115:49
as a man or a woman?
115:51
Why is it necessary?
115:52
Why can’t you just look at a human being as a human being?
115:56
Why body parts are so important?
115:59
If body parts are so important,
116:01
at least choose the brain,
116:04
hmm (Laughter/Applause)?
116:12
Why are you so...
116:14
such a fetish as what is there in somebody’s pants?
116:17
What’s your problem (Laughter)?
116:20
Julie Gichuru: What is our problem?
116:22
Sadhguru: This is...
116:23
These things matter only in two places –
116:26
in bedrooms and bathrooms (Laughter).
116:29
Nowhere else should it matter,
116:30
who’s got what in their clothes.
116:32
Okay?
116:34
Yes or no?
116:35
Julie Gichuru: But what then is the problem?
116:37
Sadhguru: This is because of very tremendous religious teachings
116:40
that have happened in the world,
116:43
which cannot even accept
116:44
the simple biology of a human being,
116:47
you understand?
116:49
They cannot come to terms with the simple biology of who we are.
116:53
This’s not a bloody secret.
116:55
It is just that we want to conduct ourselves in a certain way,
116:58
that’s all.
117:00
You think what is under your clothes is a secret?
117:02
It’s not a bloody secret.
117:04
It is just that
117:05
out of our culture and civilization, we learned to handle our body in a certain way,
117:10
that’s all.
117:12
But somebody said
117:14
this is right... this is wrong,
117:16
this is evil,
117:17
that is okay.
117:17
See, the nature of the mind is such...
117:19
Shall we do an experiment with all of you?
117:23
Next ten seconds, nobody should think of a monkey (Laughter).
117:30
Why?
117:32
You can’t keep the monkeys out for ten seconds (Laughter)?
117:35
No.
117:36
Now they told you,
117:37
“This is good,
117:39
this is bad,
117:39
don’t think about bad things.”
117:41
Well, that’s a full-time job (Laughter).
117:45
Otherwise, tri...
117:46
You know, Africa is just out of its tribal life unfortunately.
117:50
In tribal societies,
117:52
people lived without paying any attention to anybody’s body parts, isn’t it?
117:58
When, at a certain moment,
118:00
something was on, it was on,
118:02
otherwise rest of the time nobody cared about the body parts.
118:05
Now, we say we are civilized
118:08
but people’s minds are full of body parts (Laughter) –
118:11
only certain body parts –
118:13
and so we think
118:14
man, woman,
118:15
man, woman all the time.
118:17
Stop this nonsense.
118:19
It’s time you looked at human beings as human beings.
118:23
Only for certain type of activity,
118:25
who is a man,
118:26
who is a woman,
118:27
becomes relevant. Rest of the time, it has no relevance, isn’t it?
118:31
So coming to the feminine,
118:32
when we say feminine,
118:34
we are not referring to the female in any sense.
118:38
There are only few things,
118:40
which are compulsorily feminine about a woman.
118:44
Rest of the things are wide open for her
118:46
to make it whichever way she wants.
118:48
Similarly, it’s only a few things,
118:51
which are compulsorily masculine about a man.
118:53
Rest of the things are wide open for him
118:56
to make it whichever way he wants.
118:57
Being...
118:59
Activating my feminine does not mean
119:02
I have to act pansy.
119:05
No.
119:06
I don’t have to act like a woman
119:07
to express my feminine.
119:09
In a very masculine way,
119:11
I can find expression...
119:12
In a very manly way rather,
119:14
I can find expression to the feminine within me.
119:17
Can’t I mother somebody as a man, I’m asking?
119:20
Have you not done it, many of the men?
119:24
In a very masculine way,
119:26
have you not mothered?
119:27
Yes or no? In a very...
119:30
In a very female way,
119:31
have you not fathered?
119:33
So, let’s take this off.
119:35
In the existence
119:38
You must understand this
119:40
When… Most of the yoga that she was talking about,
119:43
the... the housewives are taking up from the TV station (Laughs)
119:47
and they’re becoming yogis or yoga teachers,
119:49
they’re talking about hatha yoga mainly.
119:53
Hatha yoga has become as popular as it’s become
119:56
because it’s a rebound from the American coast (Laughs).
120:03
Julie Gichuru: From America?
120:04
Sadhguru: Yes,
120:05
it has to go across Atlanta, hit that land and come back,
120:08
suddenly everything becomes sacred (Laughter).
120:11
I’m saying (Laughs)
120:13
I am saying even a kindergarten child today would know
120:17
that this human body,
120:21
it needs oxygen and it expels carbon dioxide.
120:24
Yes?
120:25
Even a child would know.
120:26
But somebody bottles carbon dioxide and says,
120:29
“This is the real thing”
120:31
and the entire world drinks it
120:32
simply because it comes from the...
120:35
across the Atlantic.
120:37
So we must understand (Laughs)
120:38
what is the level of that influence (Laughs).
120:42
So, people are all talking about hatha yoga.
120:45
Let me explain what is hatha.
120:48
Ha means sun,
120:50
tha means moon.
120:51
These are the two fundamental dimensions of
120:55
masculine and feminine influence upon us.
120:59
Sun is the symbolism of masculinity,
121:03
moon is the symbolism of femininity.
121:06
In this context,
121:08
we are all born here and here
121:10
only because our mother’s bodies
121:13
were in sync with the cycles of the moon.
121:17
If our mothers did not sync with the cycles of the moon,
121:21
we wouldn’t be born.
121:22
Yes or no?
121:24
So, the feminine is connected with the moon
121:28
and the masculine is connected with the sun.
121:31
Or another way of looking at it is,
121:33
we are looking at the solar system as a potter’s wheel,
121:37
which churns up this body.
121:39
If, let us say,
121:41
the earth decided to speed up,
121:46
okay.
121:48
Like your Wi-Fi speed,
121:50
internet speed,
121:51
you want more speed.
121:53
Speed doesn’t mean you’re on an automobile,
121:55
or a motorcycle or something anymore,
121:56
it means internet speed, okay (Laughter)?
121:59
When youth say speed,
122:00
they don’t mean motorcycle or something else,
122:05
they mean (Both laugh) speed.
122:09
So, let’s say the planet decided to speed up.
122:13
If it did speed up,
122:16
you will see most of the life that we know on this planet will disintegrate.
122:20
We are like this only because
122:23
this entire solar system is going in a certain way.
122:26
We are a consequence of that.
122:30
So, this is like a potter’s wheel and we’ve churned up like this.
122:33
So in this potter’s wheel,
122:36
there are many...
122:37
the see… entire system is playing a certain role
122:40
in the making of this body.
122:42
In this, the moon plays a little more significant role
122:46
in the body of the feminine or the female.
122:49
Because of that, we say feminine is dominant in her,
122:53
compulsively feminine she is on that aspect.
122:56
And the role of the sun is bigger in the man’s system.
123:00
Because of that, we say he’s a male or masculine.
123:04
There is a certain element of compulsively masculine stuff in him.
123:08
So one is outgoing,
123:10
another is receptive.
123:11
Sun is outgoing,
123:13
moon is a reflection for us.
123:15
Our experience of moon is a reflection.
123:17
You wouldn’t have seen it unless it reflected, isn’t it?
123:20
Unless it reflected sun’s light.
123:22
Now because we have gotten into such a crudeness of mind,
123:27
because somewhere we divided the universe
123:31
fundamentally because of religious thought in the world,
123:34
that something is god,
123:37
something is devil,
123:38
something is good, something is evil,
123:40
something is virtue, something is sin,
123:43
something is high, something is low –
123:45
because we divided everything like this,
123:47
we also divided masculine and feminine,
123:50
or male and female.
123:51
Now once we divide,
123:53
we have to discriminate
123:54
which is superior to which.
123:59
Now, because whoever is ruling the world,
124:02
naturally they say,
124:03
“We are superior to you”, all right?
124:05
If you rule the world tomorrow, you will say,
124:07
“We are superior to you.”
124:09
I’m saying both are crude and stupid.
124:14
This is two pieces of the same thing.
124:16
Now you want to make one above the other,
124:19
you will miss the essence of life.
124:21
You...
124:22
If you make a man superior to a woman,
124:25
you’ll miss life,
124:26
if you make a woman superior to man,
124:28
you’ll miss life.
124:29
If you want to know life, you...
124:31
As I said earlier,
124:33
you do not look up to anything,
124:34
look down on anything,
124:36
you see everything just the way it is.
124:38
Suddenly you will see everything the way it is
124:41
and everything is relevant.
124:43
If we had seen this,
124:44
we wouldn’t have slaughtered the animals,
124:47
we wouldn’t have ripped the trees.
124:48
We would have understood that all this is very much a part of our life, isn’t it?
124:54
Yes or no?
124:55
We would have clearly understood
124:57
and everybody understood till you got educated (Laughter/Applause).
125:03
Every tribe in the world understood,
125:06
everybody who lived with nature understood
125:08
that tree is as significant as me,
125:11
without it I cannot live –
125:13
is not some new environmental knowledge
125:15
that you got because you got PhD in environmental sciences.
125:18
Every human being knew this.
125:21
But now we got educated.
125:23
That means we got stuffed with information
125:26
and our intelligence took a backseat.
125:31
Julie Gichuru: In this environment,
125:33
before we leave and go to the next question,
125:35
I will then pose the question,
125:37
the theme of tonight,
125:38
which was what is the future of feminine?
125:41
In this environment,
125:42
Sadhguru (Sadhguru laughs),
125:43
what is the future (Laughs) of the feminine?
125:51
Sadhguru: See, one thing we must understand –
125:52
today, women have access to many things
125:58
to which they did not have access to,
126:01
in the past.
126:02
Not because of some great evolution that happened in human consciousness,
126:08
it is simply technology
126:12
technology, which has leveled the playing field.
126:15
Otherwise,
126:16
believe me,
126:17
don’t believe that suddenly everybody is evolved
126:20
and they brought up the women and gave them everything,
126:22
no.
126:23
Because of technology,
126:24
brawn does not rule anymore.
126:27
The power of the muscle is not so important anymore
126:31
because technology has leveled it.
126:34
If you had big muscles at one time,
126:36
you were a big man
126:37
because your muscles were the most useful aspect of who you are.
126:41
Today, if you have big muscles,
126:42
we will give you a menial job to do.
126:45
We won’t make you the boss.
126:48
Yes?
126:49
There was a time,
126:50
whoever had the biggest muscles,
126:51
he was the boss.
126:52
Now if you have big muscles,
126:54
we make you stand at the door (Laughter),
126:57
we don’t even let you in.
126:58
You may make a good bouncer (Laughter).
127:02
So, because of this,
127:04
women have come up,
127:05
but not feminine.
127:07
Feminine will not come up,
127:09
unless in our education systems –
127:11
this is important because you’re involved with this –
127:15
in our education systems,
127:17
we have to make
127:19
music,
127:20
dance,
127:20
art,
127:21
creativity
127:22
as important
127:23
as science,
127:25
technology,
127:25
mathematics,
127:26
whatever else.
127:28
If you don’t make this equally important
127:30
Generally, that art class is a damn useless class
127:34
that you somehow go and do something and come off.
127:37
You don’t go to the art class the way you go to a math class.
127:42
Yes?
127:43
It is just one more damn thing that you’re supposed to be done with.
127:47
No.
127:48
Till you make art, music,
127:50
everything else, which
127:51
which involves a certain creativity,
127:53
which is concerned about the aesthetic of life,
127:56
not just the utility of life
127:58
A woman is useless if you think in terms of utility.
128:02
It is the aesthetic.
128:04
She is the flower of human species.
128:06
Now, flower is useless for somebody
128:08
who is thinking in
128:10
“Let’s grow the vegetables.
128:11
Why flowering plants in the garden?”
128:14
Yes.
128:14
Let’s grow vegetables, fruits, what we can eat, it will nourish us.
128:18
What does the damn flowers do?
128:21
They won’t do anything.
128:22
I’m telling you –
128:23
this’s an extreme thing I’m telling you
128:26
but do not...
128:28
do not take this for granted
128:29
because… If... If men could exist without women,
128:37
you should not be surprised if large scale slaughter happens.
128:42
They still can’t live without them.
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That’s the reason why they’re keeping them alive (Laughter).
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Yes,
128:49
I know this is an extreme thing I’m saying.
128:51
But I’m telling you,
128:52
as long as our attitude is
128:54
in terms of what is useful,
128:56
what is not useful,
128:57
what is not useful get rid of it,
129:01
this is where it’ll go.
129:03
Not that entire world will go that way
129:06
but people will start behaving in those terms.
129:10
It may not actually physically happen
129:12
but it will start happening in human mind –
129:15
what is not useful to you, get rid of it.
129:18
And in this,
129:19
the maximum beating will be taken by the women of the world.
129:23
So it’s extremely important,
129:25
the aesthetic of life is as important as the utilitarian aspect of life.
129:32
What is useful
129:34
and what is beautiful is equally important.
129:37
If this doesn’t come into every child’s mind through our education systems,
129:43
feminine will have a hard time to survive (Applause).
129:47
Julie Gichuru: You know, there is some good news,
129:50
I think this discussion comes at the right time.
129:52
Many of us know that the...
129:54
they’re trying to review the curriculum in the education system
129:57
and there’s been a refocusing now
129:59
on going to the aesthetics,
130:00
the talent,
130:01
the art.
130:01
Sadhguru: Yeah, but the problem is right now,
130:03
if your children start learning art, music and start enjoying their life,
130:07
the Indians will do information technology
130:10
and they’ll go ahead (Laughter).
130:11
Tch, I’m saying
130:12
Julie Gichuru: And leave us behind.
130:13
Sadhguru: Yes, see that is the problem.
130:15
Right now, the world is on a race.
130:19
Nobody knows what we are racing towards.
130:21
Anybody, who looks at it,
130:23
can see we’re racing towards a disaster.
130:26
If we’re thinking ourselves as the last generation,
130:29
of course we’ll win.
130:31
But if we’re thinking of a world as a continuum
130:34
and we are just a pop-up on this planet,
130:37
all right?
130:38
We are a two second pup-up on this planet
130:40
and we’ll pop-out.
130:41
If we understand this,
130:43
then we know we’re racing towards a disaster.
130:48
If we don’t slow down,
130:49
there is no other way.
130:50
Slowing down will not happen
130:52
because human aspirations cannot be controlled.
130:57
Only when your aspiration is finding a genuine expression
131:02
When I say genuine expression –
131:04
see right now,
131:06
whoever you are as a human being,
131:07
you want to be something more, isn’t it?
131:10
If you try to be something more in a very physical way,
131:15
we call this sexuality.
131:18
What sexuality means is,
131:20
what is not you,
131:21
you want to make it a part of yourself.
131:24
That’s the effort.
131:25
Well, it never succeeds.
131:26
For a moment, it feels like a success,
131:28
after that it goes away.
131:30
If you attempt the same thing emotionally,
131:34
we call this love.
131:36
What you’re calling as love is the same thing.
131:39
What is not you,
131:40
you’re trying to make it a part of yourself in an emotional sense.
131:45
If it finds a mental expression,
131:47
it gets labeled as greed,
131:49
as ambition,
131:50
as conquest
131:51
or simply shopping (Laughter).
131:57
What is not you,
131:59
you’re trying to make it a part of yourself.
132:01
If it finds a conscious expression,
132:04
we call this yoga.
132:06
What is not you became a part of you in your experience
132:10
because you consciously did it.
132:12
And this can be kept up,
132:14
this can be lived through every moment of your life.
132:16
It is not a one moment experience,
132:19
it is a living experience,
132:22
that you experience everything as yourself.
132:24
Yoga does not mean twisting yourself,
132:26
yoga does not mean hanging upside down,
132:29
yoga does not mean convoluting something –
132:32
no.
132:32
The word yoga means union.
132:34
That means you learnt how to erase the boundaries of your individuality.
132:41
Because right now, when you sit,
132:43
you are this.
132:44
This is me,
132:45
that is her,
132:45
all right?
132:47
But a transaction is happening on many levels.
132:50
Let’s just take the breath.
132:53
What you exhale, the trees are inhaling.
132:56
What the trees exhale, you’re inhaling.
132:59
One half of your breathing apparatus is hanging out there (Few laugh).
133:04
So you are not such a solid state.
133:07
If you don’t have too much intelligence to look at all the other dimensions,
133:11
at least this you can see.
133:12
If you don’t understand, hold your nose for two minutes,
133:15
you will clearly understand what I am saying (Few laugh).
133:18
You are not an existence by yourself.
133:21
This is a living reality.
133:23
In this,
133:24
you have blown your bubble.
133:25
And the creation is so magnanimous,
133:28
for a miniscule, microscopic nonsense like you,
133:32
it has given you a fantastic sense of individuality.
133:37
I’m...
133:38
I’m not trying to depreciate you.
133:40
I want you to understand,
133:41
in the space of this cosmos –
133:44
nobody knows where it begins, where it ends –
133:47
in this cosmos,
133:49
the very planet,
133:50
the very solar system is a speck.
133:53
In that speck,
133:55
this Planet Earth is a super speck.
133:57
In that super speck,
134:00
this Nairobi is a micro super speck, all right?
134:04
In that, you are a big man,
134:07
hmm (Laughter/Applause)?
134:13
I’m saying...
134:14
I’m saying this is a serious loss of perspective.
134:19
I...
134:20
We have lost this perspectives
134:22
mainly because of the so-called religious thought
134:25
that we have in this world.
134:27
Somebody told you,
134:28
you are the center of the universe.
134:31
No,
134:31
you...
134:32
your very solar system,
134:34
tomorrow morning if this solar system evaporates,
134:36
nobody will notice it,
134:37
that’s how small it is.
134:40
Yes,
134:40
you and me may be very big
134:43
but before you and me came,
134:46
there were countless number of people on this planet.
134:50
Yes?
134:51
They were also very smart.
134:53
They were also very big people in their times.
134:56
Where are they?
134:57
All topsoil, hmm (Laughter).
135:02
Don’t wait till you become topsoil (Laughter).
135:06
Or you think your friends will bury you real deep (Laughter),
135:10
fearing that you will raise from the dead.
135:13
Julie Gichuru: And we shall all be top soil one day, that is
135:16
Sadhguru: Yes. So but if you realize this now,
135:19
that you are just a small pop-up
135:22
One of the most fundamental things
135:25
that we have is,
135:26
as a generation,
135:27
we have a baton to carry.
135:31
How the world was given to us,
135:33
how our parents made us,
135:36
we should make the world little better for the next generation (Applause).
135:41
And
135:44
not only that
135:47
we must make the next generation little better than us,
135:51
otherwise we’ve failed as a generation (Applause).
135:54
Julie Gichuru: Sadhguru, you know,
135:55
I am so touched that you said that,
135:57
because I started a hash tag some months ago,
135:59
“Better than us”
136:01
because it just hit me...
136:02
Sadhguru: No, they...
136:03
The problem is they already think so (Laughter).
136:05
Julie Gichuru: They do.
136:07
By the way,
136:07
I think they already are.
136:09
I think they already are.
136:10
But can you imagine,
136:12
if they can just be better than us,
136:13
if we can just do better with them, that’s a... that’s a good start.
136:18
I’m so touched that you said that.
136:19
I see hands up there,
136:21
so gentleman in green up there,
136:22
I see that. There was a hand right there at the back somewhere?
136:25
It’s gone?
136:26
Okay, so there’s a lady at the front now.
136:28
Sadhguru: Hey, it’s okay, you can pick on the ladies.
136:31
I won’t… I won’t comment again (Laughter).
136:33
Julie Gichuru: Gentleman at the back first
136:35
and then you go ahead, please. Thank you.
136:42
Sadhguru: The microphone is not on.
136:44
Julie Gichuru: I think can we give you a minute
136:45
just to sort out your mike...
136:46
Sadhguru: Okay, let her finish the question.
136:47
Turn it on, please.
136:51
Questioner (Santosh): Sadhguru, please accept my humble pranam.
136:53
My name is Santosh,
136:55
I am born in India but working in Africa for last fifteen years.
136:59
In the beginning of the discussion,
137:02
you started that we are so busy in doing things
137:05
that does not matter –
137:07
actually they should not matter –
137:08
and we forget to enjoy life.
137:12
Now when I look at myself,
137:15
it has been almost fifteen years or little more
137:19
in profession.
137:21
And we as professionals probably
137:24
Say for example,
137:25
like I’m into FMCG sector
137:26
and I am creating a brand.
137:28
To create how my product should look at it,
137:31
I actually enjoy it.
137:33
I enjoy the creativity in the product,
137:36
in its distribution system,
137:37
innovation that we bring into the business
137:40
and sometimes it takes more than ten hours or twelve hours of a day.
137:43
Now for somebody, including some of members of my family,
137:47
probably that is something that is...
137:49
that should not matter or
137:51
probably I’m in a mad rush.
137:52
But no, I’m enjoying it.
137:54
Now my dilemma is,
137:56
where to draw a line.
137:58
For example,
138:00
I...
138:00
I will extend this little further.
138:02
Sadhguru: No, no. You asked the question,
138:03
you shouldn’t answer the question,
138:05
it won’t be
138:07
Julie Gichuru: Thank you.
138:08
Thank you so much for the question.
138:20
Sadhguru: (Laughs) Don’t think drawing the line is your prerogative all the time.
138:25
If you get too much involved with your fancy product,
138:29
your wife will draw the line (Laughter/Applause).
138:37
We’re talking about the future of the feminine (Laughs).
138:43
Your family will draw the line.
138:47
Sometimes it’s a line that you cannot cross after some time (Laughs).
138:51
Yes?
138:52
And they may be on the other side of the line (Laughs).
138:57
yes
138:57
Julie Gichuru: I read something that you said...
138:58
Sadhguru: Yes.
138:59
You may live in the same home
139:01
but they may be on the other side of the line
139:03
and you can never cross the line.
139:06
Yes or no?
139:07
Does it happen or not?
139:08
Yes.
139:10
So,
139:12
if you love creating products,
139:14
you can do it.
139:15
Nobody is saying no.
139:18
It’s just that
139:20
everything that we take up needs a certain level of involvement.
139:23
Without involvement,
139:25
many things won’t work.
139:27
And first of all,
139:28
you must understand,
139:31
you got married and created a family
139:34
to fulfill your needs,
139:36
not to fulfill their needs.
139:39
Your children did not come knocking on your semen (Laughter).
139:46
Yes?
139:47
They did not come and knock,
139:49
“Please make me happen” (Laughter).
139:51
It's your needs, which made these things happen.
139:54
We must understand this
139:55
because lot of people are becoming overly this thing that,
139:59
“I did this,
140:00
I did this”, you know?
140:02
No,
140:02
nobody asked you that you should do all this.
140:05
You did this to fulfill your own needs, isn’t it?
140:10
Now that your needs are maybe little bit fulfilled,
140:13
now suddenly you become magnanimous
140:17
and you think others...
140:18
You know,
140:19
“I don’t have such needs anymore,
140:20
I just create a nice cosmetic product and I’m doing great.”
140:24
Yes, it is so.
140:26
At different stages in your life, you have different needs.
140:29
But once you step into certain things,
140:33
certain needs will hold you
140:36
because certain needs that you touch demand commitment.
140:41
Tch, is it okay if I tell you a joke (Few laugh)?
140:46
It once happened,
140:47
a man has a gala
140:48
gala fight with his wife.
140:51
That’s not a rare happening, you know.
140:54
So, he didn’t know what to do,
140:56
he stormed out of the house.
140:59
It’s only after you walk out on the street,
141:02
then you don’t know
141:03
you don’t know where to go (Laughter).
141:06
So he loitered here and there (Laughs) and everywhere
141:08
and went little outside the town.
141:11
It was evening.
141:12
He was just struggling.
141:14
He has to find a dignified reason to get back, all right?
141:18
He’s left home.
141:20
You need a good reason –
141:22
either she must come searching,
141:24
but if she doesn’t come,
141:25
he must find a tch,
141:26
a decent reason to get back.
141:30
So he was loitering around,
141:31
then he saw a sadhu.
141:33
A sadhu means a wandering mendicant.
141:37
So he was just settling down for the night under a tree.
141:41
He went and like you,
141:43
did pranams,
141:46
fell at his feet and said,
141:50
“Sadhu Maharaj,
141:52
biwi bahut pareshan de raha hai.
141:55
Kuch sulabh upay hai to bolo
141:59
The sadhu glared at him and said,
142:01
“Bewakoof,
142:02
sulabh ha... upay hai to mein kyon sadhu ban ke yahan baith raha hoon
142:18
He said...
142:20
He begged sadhu...
142:21
He fell at his feet and said,
142:23
“My wife is giving me too much trouble.
142:26
If there is an easy solution,
142:28
please tell me,
142:29
is there a simple easy solution?”
142:31
So sadhu glared at him and said,
142:33
“You idiot, if there was as simple, easy solution,
142:36
why would I be wandering around the world” (Laughter)?
142:42
I am saying,
142:44
to create anything that you want,
142:46
it takes a certain involvement.
142:48
You created a family
142:50
because you wanted a certain atmosphere around you.
142:53
If you were made like this,
142:55
you were fine by yourself,
142:58
that if you sit here, you’re complete by yourself,
143:01
you wouldn’t have bothered to make a family.
143:04
You made it because...
143:06
not because they need you,
143:07
because you can’t live without it.
143:10
Let’s be straight about it.
143:11
Yes or no (Applause)?
143:15
So
143:17
now, suddenly halfway down,
143:18
you suddenly change your tack. Tch,
143:21
then they will know how to deal with it (Laughter).
143:24
Julie Gichuru: Wow, then the line will be drawn,
143:27
the line...
143:28
Our final question for the night
143:30
because really it’s already time to wrap up.
143:32
I’m so sorry,
143:33
I do see the hands and I really apologize.
143:35
Please go ahead.
143:36
Questioner (Mary): Good evening, thank you for giving me the last question.
143:40
You said something that is very interesting
143:43
when you said that
143:45
it’s our responsibility to make the generation after us a bit better.
143:51
And me...
143:52
for me, as a young mother,
143:54
it’s quite a concern.
143:55
And I would like to ask you Sadhguru,
143:58
if you have three tips to give me
144:00
as a mum
144:01
on how to protect my children from disconnections of themselves
144:07
while living in the society,
144:08
what would it be?
144:09
Julie Gichuru: Would you give us your name, please?
144:11
Introduce yourself.
144:11
Questioner (Mary): My name is Mary.
144:15
Sadhguru: Mary, the three tips are –
144:18
involvement
144:19
and involvement
144:20
and deeper involvement (Applause)
144:24
because...
144:26
Julie Gichuru: And it never stops.
144:28
It never stops.
144:29
Sadhguru: No, if they do well, it stops.
144:30
Julie Gichuru: Oh, really?
144:32
Really?
144:32
We have to let go (Sadhguru laughs)?
144:34
Sadhguru: Whether you let go or...
144:36
If you let go, it’ll happen in a beautiful way,
144:38
if you don’t let go, they will escape (Laughter).
144:43
That is, if you brought them up well.
144:45
If you brought them up in a helpless manner,
144:47
they will stay with you,
144:49
wingless birds, all right (Laughs)?
144:53
Wingless birds have happened in some very extreme climates.
144:57
So, if your birds at home are wingless,
145:00
that means you have an extreme climate.
145:03
That’s what it means.
145:06
Now,
145:09
when I say involvement,
145:10
involvement,
145:11
involvement,
145:12
you must understand this.
145:15
This idea – you know,
145:16
this is something that’s in common usage –
145:19
that
145:19
“I was brought up this way,
145:21
I was brought up that way
145:22
or I was raised this way”,
145:23
I thought we only raise cattle (Laughter).
145:27
Human beings need not be raised.
145:29
People say, “I was raised Hindu,
145:32
I was raised Christian,
145:33
I was raised this.”
145:35
Nobody should be raised any way
145:37
because when it comes to creation the way it is
145:42
For all the other creatures,
145:44
nature has drawn two lines.
145:48
Within that,
145:49
they live and die.
145:51
When it comes to a human being,
145:53
nature hasdrawn only one line –
145:56
base line,
145:57
no top line.
146:01
So the important thing is
146:03
you should never raise them.
146:05
Your business is just to create a loving,
146:09
supportive atmosphere.
146:11
“Oh, suppose they become something,
146:13
which is not like me?”
146:15
If they become like you, that’s a crime (Laughter).
146:19
They should become something
146:21
that you could not imagine as a generation, isn’t it?
146:24
What should your children become?
146:26
They should not become what you desire.
146:29
They should become what you could not imagine.
146:32
So do you have the courage
146:34
to raise something that you cannot imagine (Applause)?
146:39
First of all,
146:40
you need to understand,
146:42
your children are not yours.
146:46
You don’t own the life.
146:48
It’s a privilege,
146:50
they came through you,
146:51
you enjoyed all that,
146:54
you laughed with them,
146:55
you cried with them,
146:56
you played with them,
146:57
you enjoyed all that.
146:58
But they don’t belong to you.
147:00
They only come through you.
147:02
Just enjoy the privilege that they are with you now
147:06
and that’s about it.
147:08
You don’t try to raise them,
147:10
you just...
147:11
Your business as a mother, is to create...
147:14
Protect them against a few things,
147:15
which can cause damage to them
147:18
because you’re not the only influence,
147:19
there’s a world influencing them.
147:22
And for a modern mother
147:24
because I have to tell you this because
147:29
internet is a bigger influence than
147:32
mother, or father or anybody for that matter (Laughs).
147:37
I know this may look like an archaic opinion
147:42
but you will regret this in future
147:44
if you don’t do this now.
147:46
At least till they are twelve to fourteen years of age,
147:51
there is no need for these things,
147:53
these gadgets.
147:55
They must learn to use this gadget (Referring to oneself).
147:56
This (Referring to oneself) is (Applause)...
148:02
This (Referring to oneself) is the most sophisticated technology on this planet.
148:07
This human mechanism,
148:08
isn’t this the highest level of technology in the universe that we know?
148:12
There may be some alien, who’s better than us,
148:15
but we’ve not seen (Few laugh).
148:17
But among what we have seen,
148:18
this (Referring to oneself) is the highest level of technology, isn’t it?
148:23
The only problem with human beings is,
148:25
they have not even bothered to read the user’s manual (Laughter).
148:31
Now what internet means is,
148:34
what your school means is –
148:36
the present level of schooling,
148:37
what it means is –
148:39
cram yourself with all kinds of things.
148:41
You pay attention to everything,
148:43
you know what is inside a frog,
148:45
how a frog’s liver looks.
148:46
What are you going to do with this?
148:50
I’m saying
148:51
every high school child is cutting open a cockroach and a frog.
148:55
What for?
148:56
I... I’m saying, when you bring up children with this level of cruelty,
149:01
a live frog you open it up and enjoy his heart beating,
149:04
what are you made of, I’m asking?
149:07
You call this science?
149:08
I call this inhumanity.
149:11
I call this absolutely senseless way of raising your children.
149:15
“Oh no, we learnt so much.”
149:18
If they’ve learnt so much, that is enough,
149:20
show it on a computer, how a heart beats.
149:22
Where is the need for everybody to open up a live animal,
149:27
nailed to a piece of wood?
149:31
A...
149:31
Almost all of you have done it, right?
149:33
Julie Gichuru: It was traumatic.
149:34
I was traumatized.
149:35
Sadhguru: No, I am saying, we call this education.
149:39
A heartless education.
149:40
What is the point of a heartless education?
149:43
If you do this kind of education,
149:45
you’ll ha... you’ll create a heartless society,
149:47
which you’re seeing in so many different ways.
149:51
We are training children to become brutes.
149:55
See,
149:56
if I can nail a frog to this wooden platform,
150:01
cut him open when he’s still alive and screaming,
150:04
and look at his heart and how it beats,
150:07
I enjoy it and I fiddle around with his liver –
150:11
I’m saying, at another level,
150:14
why can’t I pick one of you and do the same thing?
150:18
Tch,
150:19
only because there is a law,
150:20
I may be stopping, isn’t it?
150:22
Yes or no?
150:24
That’s what it amounts to. Isn’t it so?
150:27
Only because there is a law against it,
150:29
I may be stopping.
150:31
A law cannot make us human beings.
150:34
A law can control a few things in the society.
150:36
This will not shape human consciousness.
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Because human beings experience themselves in a certain way,
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we thought of bringing that in the form of law.
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But law will not make a human being.
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If you are human,
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you will naturally be in a certain way.
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This must come forth.
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If want to bring up your children,
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if they’re still below five, six years of age now,
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the best thing to do it
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not expose them to all these things.
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Expose them to life.
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When I say life,
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there is nature,
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there is insect,
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there is animal,
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there is worm.
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I’m telling you, these creatures are far more important than you.
151:14
Tomorrow, if all the insects disappear, you have...
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the entire life on this planet will cease to exist
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in about four to five years’ time.
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Do you know this?
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If all the worms disappear,
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the entire life on this planet will cease to exist
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in approximately eighteen months to twenty-four months.
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When somebody calls you a worm,
151:38
you must understand,
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they’re saying you’re a very important life (Laughter/Applause).
151:47
But if all the human beings disappear tomorrow morning,
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this world will flourish.
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So we must understand,
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we are not the only life,
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we are here as a product of all this life evolving to this place.
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We must at least show some sign of evolution, isn’t it?
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We are supposed to be the peak of evolution on this planet.
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Should we not show that
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we are little better than them?
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But we are not showing this simply because
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we are screwed up with our scriptures,
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our textbooks,
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our teachings.
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No.
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Please expose them to life.
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Child will understand life perfectly well.
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They are better equipped to perceive life
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than you are
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because they are not structured in their head.
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They perceive life.
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Oh, what will happen to them?
152:41
How will they earn a living?”
152:44
If you allow a child to develop his body and his brain to the fullest...
152:50
There are ways to do it,
152:52
I can’t go… elaborate on this now.
152:53
But there are ways,
152:55
where we can ensure the human body and the human brain has grown to its full size,
153:01
in every way.
153:02
If you have a full grown body and full grown brain,
153:06
they will know how to deal with anything for that matter.
153:10
Half-grown brain
153:11
but you’re highly educated,
153:12
what is the point?
153:13
You don’t know how to live.
153:15
You may know how to extract something from the world
153:18
but you don’t know how to live.
153:20
Isn’t that the fate of humanity right now, unfortunately?
153:23
They know how to extract something from everything.
153:26
I want you to know,
153:28
they are extracting protein from microscopic bacteria
153:32
but still human beings are not healthy (Laughs).
153:38
So, we know how to extract
153:40
but we don’t know how to live
153:41
because we’re paying attention to everything,
153:44
we are not paying attention to this (Referring to oneself).
153:46
This (Referring to oneself) needs attention –
153:49
not in the mirror,
153:50
not through somebody else
153:52
but inwardly,
153:53
beyond this body,
153:54
beyond this mind,
153:55
to know what is the nature of my existence.
153:57
The more you know about this (Referring to oneself),
153:59
the better you can handle it. Yes or no?
154:02
“How far is it?
154:03
What do I have to do for this?
154:05
How far it is?
154:08
Should I book a Himalayan cave for myself or my child” (Laughs)?
154:11
Julie Gichuru: It’s gone already.
154:12
Sadhguru: It’s already gone, taken.
154:14
It’s taken.
154:15
No accommodation.
154:16
It’s like this.
154:17
Someone came looking for Isha Yoga Center in Southern India.
154:21
They came to a local village and asked a boy,
154:24
who was sitting there,
154:25
“How far is Isha Yoga Center?”
154:27
The boy said, “It’s 24,996 miles.”
154:32
They said, “What! That far?” He said,
154:34
“Yeah, the way you’re going.
154:36
If you turn around, it’s four miles” (Laughter).
154:42
We have to turn around.
154:43
In is the only way out (Applause).
154:53
Julie Gichuru: Thank you so much.
154:55
We have come to a close.
154:57
But I... I do have a final question that I think is so pertinent
155:00
in an environment,
155:01
where people are talking at each other so much, you know.
155:05
And I’ve done interviews for so many years in the media
155:09
and there’s always this need to have a confrontation, you know,
155:12
to one up, you know,
155:14
“I’m going to one up the person I’m sitting with”,
155:15
rather than the need to listen to what the next person is saying
155:20
before you even respond.
155:24
What advice can you give us
155:26
as to how we start to better relate and speak to each other,
155:30
rather than at each other?
155:33
Sadhguru: How to listen and still have TRP (Laughter)?
155:36
Julie Gichuru: T…?
155:37
Sadhguru: Oh, you don’t know what’s TRP?
155:38
Julie Gichuru: No, what’s TRP (Laughs)?
155:40
Sadhguru: Oh, okay.
155:41
It’s a rating system in India for each television channel (Both laugh).
155:48
So everybody has understood
155:49
the only way to have TRP is
155:51
all of us shouting at the same time (Laughs).
155:54
If you listen, there is no TRP.
155:58
Anyway,
155:59
now that TRP is not relevant in Kenya (Laughs)...
156:04
See,
156:12
because this was about the...
156:15
That lady,
156:16
we’re talking about the feminine but she’s on the phone.
156:18
Hello (Laughter)?
156:19
Julie Gichuru: She’s tweeting what you’re saying (Sadhguru laughs).
156:23
Yes (Laughs).
156:25
Sadhguru: In the yogic culture,
156:29
a woman is referred to as a sati.
156:34
Sati means
156:36
one who knows how to wait,
156:40
because waiting was always considered a higher quality
156:46
than doing
156:49
because all action has a beginning and an end
156:55
but waiting can be eternal.
156:59
There is an eternal quality to waiting.
157:02
Just by waiting,
157:04
people transform themselves.
157:06
There are innumerable stories in the yogic culture,
157:10
where women became great seers and sages
157:13
without any spiritual practice.
157:16
No religion,
157:17
no nothing,
157:18
simply waiting.
157:23
And if anything beautiful has to happen in your life,
157:26
you have to learn to wait.
157:28
Suppose you want to grow a garden in your house.
157:33
If you’re in a rush
157:35
that you must have flowers tomorrow morning in your garden,
157:38
you just have to buy Singapore plastic flowers and stick it (Laughter),
157:44
otherwise you have to plant and wait.
157:48
You want to deliver a baby,
157:50
you have to wait, isn’t it?
157:54
There is a waiting quality,
157:55
you just have to wait.
157:58
With a belly full, it may feel like an eternity
158:01
but you wait.
158:02
Simply wait,
158:04
you don’t mess with it.
158:06
You just wait
158:07
because everything beautiful in the universe happens like this.
158:12
If you create the necessary conditions and you wait,
158:15
it will happen.
158:17
The same goes for bringing up children.
158:19
You create the necessary atmosphere and you wait,
158:23
they will grow.
158:24
If you think you must fix,
158:26
you cannot fix.
158:28
You may know how to reproduce
158:30
but you do not know how to fix your children,
158:33
do you?
158:34
Hello (Laughs)?
158:36
If you have the love and commitment, you can wait.
158:39
Because to wait,
158:41
you need an enormous sense of love and commitment to something,
158:45
otherwise you cannot wait.
158:48
Only when you have a deep sense of love and commitment,
158:52
you can wait,
158:54
otherwise you cannot wait.
158:56
One thing that they’re learning today is
159:01
inability to wait.
159:05
4G, not fast enough (Few laugh).
159:08
There was a time,
159:09
from India,
159:10
many of these people,
159:12
their forefathers travelled for over thirty to forty-five days
159:16
to reach the Kenyan coast, okay?
159:18
To east... east... to reach East Africa.
159:22
But today they’re here in five hours probably, flat.
159:27
But it’s too much time.
159:31
They can’t wait anymore.
159:34
I’m not saying we should not have faster airplanes and faster cars,
159:38
I’m always for speed that way (Laughs).
159:42
But you must know how to wait.
159:46
What you said as listening is just a part of waiting.
159:51
This is important,
159:53
that we must inculcate this in our children and in everybody’s life –
159:58
how much time you spend in expression,
160:02
you must spend at least equal amount of time in perception.
160:08
Right now,
160:09
this is a world of overexpression.
160:12
Like you said,
160:13
somebody is tweeting what I’m saying.
160:15
It doesn’t matter they miss the next thing
160:17
but they tweeted the last thing –
160:20
that’s important,
160:21
expression.
160:22
This is a world, where it’s all about expression today,
160:25
no perception.
160:27
You will become hollower and all hollower as days go by.
160:31
You will know that galaxy Z67,
160:34
what is the distance between that galaxy and the Planet Earth.
160:37
It doesn’t mean a damn thing
160:39
whether it’s a million light years, or ten-million light years
160:42
or a billion light years.
160:44
What does a goddamn light year mean to you, I’m asking?
160:47
It’s just a word, isn’t it?
160:50
It’s just words and words.
160:52
Our education has become just words and words and words.
160:56
Because they gathered so many words,
160:58
they have to spill it all the time (Laughs).
161:02
So one thing everybody can do is,
161:04
in your life,
161:05
at least one day in a month –
161:07
this is very much a part of the Indian culture,
161:09
I don’t know whether they’re still keeping it –
161:11
one day in a month,
161:12
you’re supposed to eat little less and not say anything,
161:15
silent,
161:17
simply, quietly.
161:18
Not reading, not doing,
161:20
simply quietly
161:22
because you must spend enough time in perception
161:26
before you express.
161:28
Then your expression will be of a great quality.
161:32
If you are all expression and no perception,
161:36
then you have a life on Facebook (Laughter).
161:41
Julie Gichuru: Thank you so much,
161:43
please let’s give a warm round of applause for Sadhguru.
161:47
Thank you so much (Sadhguru laughs) (Applause).

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